JBL 4365/67 vs 4345 Monitors???

[kris90]

I would like some subjective and objective input on this comparison!!!!

the 4345's would be stock, i.e. (no crossover mods and in a bi-amp config)

Thanks!!!!

[ngccglp]

I would like some subjective and objective input on this comparison!!!!

the 4345's would be stock, i.e. (no crossover mods and in a bi-amp config)

Thanks!!!!

I had 4345 but not the 4365, but I did an extensive audition of the 4365 at the dealer's. For some reason, I always find the new JBLs limited in bass extension, which is also reflected in the specs. I Guess it all goes down to personal preference.

[ngccglp]

I would like some subjective and objective input on this comparison!!!!

the 4345's would be stock, i.e. (no crossover mods and in a bi-amp config)

Thanks!!!!

I had 4345 but not the 4365, but I did an extensive audition of the 4365 at the dealer's. For some reason, I always find the new JBLs limited in bass extension, which is also reflected in the specs. I Guess it all goes down to personal preference.

[BMWCCA]

I've had my 4345s for over eight-years now but I have not had the opportunity to hear the 4365s. I've always been impressed by how effortlessly the 4345s produce prodigious amounts of deep bass—even at incredibly low volume levels. Their previous owner referred to them as the "Velvet Hammer". From what I've read, the 4365 is voiced more for the Japanese market which means a pretty rapid rolloff around 50Hz. I'd love to hear them both in the same room to see for myself.

[martin_wu99]

No comparable!modrern vs vintage

[Ian Mackenzie]

Ditto on the bass.

I have heard both the 4345 and the 4365

In stock the 4345 is blurd and fluffy sounding by comparison to the 4365.
This is why improvement per GT's post is a logical step for any new owner

The improvements relate to the passive stock crossovers.

The 4365 subjectively may have more clarity in the bass but lacks the effortless bass and scale of the 4345.

This can be mitigated with a paramedic EQ for the 4345.

The 4365 has superior imaging qualities due to the 2 way design.

[ngccglp]

I would like some subjective and objective input on this comparison!!!!

the 4345's would be stock, i.e. (no crossover mods and in a bi-amp config)

Thanks!!!!

The best way is to bring your Favourite genre of music to audition both to see which you prefer. I chose 4345 over 4365. The most telling was Christian Mcbride Live at Tonic CD1 track 5. The 4365 just didn't have the bass extension and slam that I was looking for.

[kris90]

Thanks guys!!! It's a tough call on my end but I find the that the 4365/67 sound like one speaker... ie:all of the drivers blend together

very well!!! I've read a post GT made about how he designs/voices his systems and he is spot on...

I prefer most of his work(s) newer and of the legacy systems.

Thanks!!!!



P.S. .....How about a 4345 vs DD55000 comparison????

This should be interesting!!!!

[BMWCCA]

I've never understood the "integration" issue so many have with the 4-way systems. I certainly don't notice it in mine. The soundstage presentation in my room with my 4345s is simply incredible. I never listen to music thinking I'm hearing four separate sources or noticing transition issues between the drivers. My other favorite in sound-stage presentation is the L7 4-way which even allows you to walk around the room and not lose an image. The upper-three drivers in the 4345 are clustered together as tightly as most two-ways would be. Maybe mine just benefit from the updated crossover design and by being bi-amp-only; simple solutions easily implemented with the information presented on this site. The only Timbers mod I've not done is to run the UHF off its own amp. I have a Crown D45 I bought just for such a purpose but haven't felt the need to implement it.

In the words of Greg Timbers which I have used as my sig line ever since bringing these into my home: ". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers

As I've previously written, I've not heard the 4365. I'd love to. If I ended up liking them better, I'd put them on my list. If the playing field were actually level (ie. updated crossovers and bi-amp-only) and the 4345 proved to be equal—or better—then I'd share a smile with Greg who I believe to be a tinkerer at heart who never let newer technology stop him from enjoying the thrill of speaker creation, but rather incorporated it into his arsenal. I always loved a good underdog story!

And while I've learned that Ian usually knows what he's talking about, isn't the 4365 a 3-way design?

The 4365 has superior imaging qualities due to the 2 way design.

[kris90]

Yes the 4365 is a three way design, the 4367 (basically an M2 for home use with a passive network)

is a two way with the waveguide horn...

[JeffW]

The 4365 has been discontinued, so unless there are some old stock items or you find some used...

[kris90]

Old stock NIB.

[audiomagnate]

...For some reason, I always find the new JBLs limited in bass extension...

...I've always been impressed by how effortlessly the 4345s produce prodigious amounts of deep bass...means a pretty rapid rolloff around 50Hz...

Ditto on the bass...
...have more clarity in the bass but lacks the effortless bass and scale of the 4345...

When I'm evaluating speakers - vintage or modern - I frankly don't care about bass extension because that's a job much better handled by subwoofers. Even if you do manage to find a speaker you like that's also capable of producing truly deep clean bass at adequate levels, more often than not the listening position relative to the speakers is not ideal. In my current system I have a 2245 loaded infinite baffle sub and two "helper" subs positioned to ameliorate room nodes. For music I turn down the helpers to where the box effects become inaudible due to masking.

I'm currently trying to decide between L300's and and 1400 Arrays, but they will both be rolled off at 50 Hz, so bass extension is moot.

[daveschott]

Old stock NIB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-4365-Stu...kAAOSwGtRXyF79

[Ian Mackenzie]

I must be slipping in my old age

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...lue-bafle-Line