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    Bo, I appreciate your input. I am not sure what direction I will go but its always nice to have multiple options. The fact that you own this brand and its been a positive experience is a good thing to know. I would have never considered it. The reason "no brand recognition".

    As for Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. I am sure both would be amused by reading this.

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    This son is in his twenties and the brand does not matter.

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    my little bro has the 1500 song one
    and it rockz
    thay really need better headphones though
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    Quote Originally Posted by boputnam
    Ti...

    Not sure what all your points are - except that I'm stupid - but regardless what I MEANT was, the Archos plays anything and does not require signing onto, or paying any one source. It's open. It's easy.

    I had zero trouble finding mine, so that point is moot, too. But, whatever... :dont-know
    Bo

    Didn't mean to offend you. As I wrote, the Archos is a nice unit and it's bound to be in the supply chain for purchase. I never said you couldn't find it. It struck me as funny that the manufacturer didn't have any.

    Your implication that the iPod is somehow locking you into a system is just not correct. You can get your MP3s from anywhere. I've got a couple thousand songs on mine, and I didn't have to buy a single one from Apple. I'll admit I got a hundred or so free songs from them (free songs every Tuesday), but the rest I obtained legally from multiple sources, including those swell folks at Sony/BMG.

    Never had to sign an agreement, join a download service, purchase a minimum from Apple, or agree to limit myself to Apple encoded music. Any CD, MP3, WAV, or AIFF will do.

    I apologize for offending you.
    Out.

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    Just the overall tone, dood. It doen't matter - I simply don't have the energy to fight anything. I am reminded - and always surprised at - how defensive Appleheads are. Maybe you aren't one, but you coulda been!

    I only did surficial due diligence on this - my neighbors were very early and fanatical adopters, and raved - but I watched my kids close hand. I'm of the understanding that iPods reformat input data (song files). My kids wail at having to deal with that, and it requires Apple software uploads to the PC, and that use seems intent on drawing one into iTunes which makes sense for Apple (reminds of aol marketing on the GUI... ) and suits Apple's crossmarketing needs. Apple had to soften it's business stance on iPod because they were almost too exclusive and competing devices came onto the market, quickly. Invasive technology tends to do that.

    My other neighbor who is an IT specialist (Apple and PC... ) recommended Archos to me. I find his advice, well, "sound"... I don't know - it all just seems easier with Archos. Archos is simply a storage device with a media player on it. No reformating needed, uploading or downloading. No cross-marketing, no nothing.

    But as I said, I don't give a damn. I only responded to this thread with an alternative suggestion, because "iPod" is quickly becoming a generic term (like Kleenex or Xerox) of which Jobs should be proud, but which will surely be vigorously protected!

    There are even cooler, smaller devices I've seen on the London Underground, but never got a name. They are sized like a fat magic marker. Everybody is into tunes on the Tube...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boputnam
    I only responded to this thread with an alternative suggestion, because "iPod" is quickly becoming a generic term (like Kleenex or Xerox) of which Jobs should be proud, but which will surely be vigorously protected!
    Yeah Kleenex!!! Have you ever tried those other brands... your nose is a bloody stump in no time... damn it I did it again...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
    Yeah Kleenex!!! Have you ever tried those other brands... your nose is a bloody stump in no time...
    Yea, and that's why branding IS so vigorously defended!
    bo

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    Mr. Off Topic strikes again...

    Quote Originally Posted by boputnam
    Yea, and that's why branding IS so vigorously defended!
    .... yep, look at Budweiser and Bose!

    However good brands like Kimberly Clark's Kleenex and most 3M products actually do offer quality commensurate with their price.


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    - Some good info here . Now, back on topic .
    - What about the RIO ? ( I think that's a name for one of these playback devices ).
    - I don't have any of these units, so I'm quite interested in any & all rumours about cross-platform problems when file sharing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bo
    I only did surficial ( superficial ?) due diligence on this - my neighbors were very early and fanatical adopters, and raved - but I watched my kids close hand. I'm of the understanding that iPods reformat input data (song files). My kids wail at having to deal with that, and it requires Apple software uploads to the PC, and that use seems intent on drawing one into iTunes which makes sense for Apple (reminds of aol marketing on the GUI... ) and suits Apple's crossmarketing needs. Apple had to soften it's business stance on iPod because they were almost too exclusive and competing devices came onto the market, quickly. Invasive technology tends to do that.
    - Bo, do you mean to say that , MP3/WAV files ripped on some kids Brand "X" machine ,won't seamlessly playback on Apples' iPod units / without additional file conversion performed by Apples' iTune software ?
    - If so, is the opposite also true ?

    - I guess if this is true , then there's a builtin hassle factor to contend with.
    - Kids who swap music files like baseball cards will want to have similar technology just to avoid the hassle of file conversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl K
    - Bo, do you mean to say that , MP3/WAV files ripped on some kids Brand "X" machine ,won't seamlessly playback on Apples' iPod units / without additional file conversion performed by Apples' iTune software ?
    - If so, is the opposite also true ?

    - I guess if this is true , then there's a builtin hassle factor to contend with. Kids who swap music files like baseball cards will want to have similar technology to avoid the hassle.
    Hi, Earl...

    Yea, as I understand it, the iPod and software can convert (most?) all available formats, but the 'pods' require their own compression result. That means, what's on the 'pod' cannot be downloaded onto another PC for use. The intent was, I believe, to protect artists copyrights (good) and keep iTunes a profit center for Apple (no opinion).

    And yea, that RIO line is a contender, too.
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    - Okay !

    - So , would MP3/WAV files ripped on an Archos, playback on something like a RIO without additional file conversion ?

    - Thanks for any clarification you can offer

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    [QUOTE=Earl K- So , would MP3/WAV files ripped on an Archos, playback on something like a RIO ? [/QUOTE]Archos is merely a storage device - it makes no formatting change to the data being loaded onto it.

    Dunno enough about RIO, but if it can read .mp3 and .wav, it certainly can take those data off Archos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
    .... but then I hear there is a group of old farts that have a ridiculous fascination with a certain brand of loudspeakers...


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    Pathetic.
    I love the way music makes me feel.

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    I am in the IT business as well....

    I have had more problems with ipod software on the PC and people keep telling me they hate windows because thier ipod does not work.

    After further examination I find it is the Apple software not working with the cd drive and driver so the cd drive just dissapears from the drive list.


    Anyways just my 2c worth I would choose any mainstream MP3 player. Archos and Rio are both fine players

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    Wink a few facts

    In August of this year, here's how MP3 player marketshare looked:

    Music Player Company Unit Share Dollar Share
    20GB iPod w/Color LCD Apple 14.5% 22.1%
    4GB Silver iPod Mini Apple 12.7% 12.8%
    512MB iPod shuffle Apple 7.7% 3.9%
    4GB Blue iPod Mini Apple 7.3% 7.4%
    4GB Pink iPod Mini Apple 6.7% 6.8%
    4GB Green iPod Mini Apple 6% 6.1%
    1GB iPod shuffle Apple 4.9% 3.2%
    60GB iPod w/Color LCD Apple 4.2% 8.5%
    6GB Silver iPod Mini Apple 2.3% 2.9%
    512MB Blue MP3/WMA w/FM Radio Sandisk 2% 1%
    Others 31.7% 25.3%

    Source: The NPD Group/NPD Techworld for Aug. 2005
    If you're interested in a device that has the most users (over 70%) in the most standardized formats (MP3, WAV, AIFF, AAC) from the source with the most legal downloads (550 million+), AND that has JBL branded gear specifically designed for it http://jbl.com/home/products/series.aspx?SerId=HMM , then look no further than an iPod.

    Other devices are fine. Sony finally designed a useable MP3 player, Samsung has some great gear, the Archos and RIO models are pretty cool, but all of them together do not create a universe as prolific or pervasive as an iPod.

    This may not matter to us, but it matters to a lot of the members of generations younger than us, and sadly again this year some parents will buy a quite workable MP3 player that they think is an iPod but isn't. Their kids will freak, the real deal will eventually get purchased, and Mom or Dad will likely inherit the rejected machine, which they probably think is fine becuase they're not interested in sharing music with their friends.
    Out.

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