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    Urei 809 review
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    In this two part feature, Ken Dibble reviews two closely related but very different monitor loudspeakers: the new Urei baby, the 809 and the well established JBL 4425.


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    Urei 809 and JBL 4425.


    It was widely expected that with the takeover of Urei by Harman Audio during 1985 and its integration with JBL, there would be some rationalisation of Urei's loudspeaker interests, as, let's face it, JBL and Urei between them probably account for the largest slice of the Stateside monitor loudspeaker business and had been keen competitors for many years.

    However, it turns out that this is not the case, and having visited both JBL and Urei in California last Autumn, and seen first hand the way things are done in the studios around LA, I can quite see why both are to continue as separate lines, each retaining its own separate identity, although there does seem to be a graduated integration of componentry taking place.

    But notwithstanding the fact that both review systems employ a JBL 30cm low/mid driver in a tuned reflex enclosure, both have constant directivity type HF horns and employ exactly the same JBL compression driver, the two products are most definitely not the same, having quite individual voicing signatures, technical features and design concepts.

    Both brands are of course giants in the world of monitoring in both film and sound recording studios, whether for original takes, mixdown, editing, pre-viewing or mastering. Each engineer has his own very definite preference for one type of monitor over another, and although the particular samples being reviewed are the babies of both ranges, the differences in timbre, emphasis, imaging and the like are clearly identifiable. Not being a recording engineer, and therefore finding myself a little distanced from this love affair relationship with one particular loudspeaker type, I have tried to take a more objective look at what the differences actually are between the two models to be reviewed, and have based my conclusions on a combination of laboratory testing and subjective evaluation.

    However, noting the present day tendency towards esoteric reviewing in certain of the technical press, often at a technical level way beyond the understanding of even competent engineers, and dealing in vague notions of performance criteria that cannot be related to what is actually heard without the aid of a computer, I have tried to keep to an even keel and restricted the laboratory testing to the basic parameters of immediate concern.


    Laboratory Testing


    Both review samples were tested in the anechoic chamber at GEC-Hirst Research, driven by an HH Electronics MOSFET V800 power amplifier and using precision calibrated Bruel & Kjear instrumentation. The testing programme was supervised by the author in person and was overseen by the head of the Acoustics Section at Hirst, John Edward.

    The tests carried out included an impedance/frequency plot, a sine wave/frequency plot at 1W with the measuring microphone one metre distant from the loudspeaker baffle panel, a second sine wave amplitude/frequency plot at 6dB below rated system power showing the second and third harmonic distortion components present, and a family of horizontal polar response plots. This data is considered to provide a fair technical appraisal of a loudspeaker's basic performance characteristics. All these curves will be published in the test results section along with a tabulated summary of the performance parameters measured.

    One further test was carried out in my own laboratory using an Ivie IE-30A/17A set-up in order to test out the time alignment data provided as this performance aspect features quite highly in the maker's published literature for both products, and in any event, the Urei 809 is specifically marketed as a time aligned system, and should therefore be tested as such.


    Subjective Assessment


    The loudspeakers were evaluated separately in pairs and singly by AB comparison over a several week period using my own auditioning set-up, comprising a Mission DAD7000/R compact disc player, Hafler DH110 control amplifier and Hafler DH220 power amplifier.

    For all tests, the EQ section of the DH110 was switched to bypass and no graphic equaliser was used. The source material included Dire Straits 'Alchemy Live' and the obligatory' Brothers in Arms' albums, Tina Turner's 'Private Dancer', Joan Armatrading's 'Secret Secrets', Joe Cocker's 'Civilised Man' and the Shostakovich 5th symphony by Leonard Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra from the CBS/Sony Masterworks series, all on CD. The HFN test disc was also used.


    Urei 809


    General Specification
    Drive unit compliment
    Single 30cm lo/mid cone with co-axially mounted constant directivity HF horn and compression drive unit.

    Crossover
    Internal passive 2-way incorporating group delay time alignment elements.

    User Controls
    HF Drive, HF Trim.

    Cabinet loading
    Direct radiating 65Ltr tuned reflex.

    Impedance
    8Ω nominal.

    Termination
    Screw terminals/4mm sockets.

    Power Rating
    28.5 volts for 1 hour with band limited pink noise 50Hz-20kHz (100W).

    Sensitivity
    93dB for 1W at 1 metre.

    Rec Amplifier
    150W RMS/8Ω minimum.

    Dimensions
    585mm high x 420mm Wide x 345mm deep.

    Weight
    27kg.

    Finish
    Utility black fleck paint.

    Price
    £805.00 each suggested retail, including VAT.


    Design Concepts & Presentation


    The 809 is the baby of the legendary Urei 800 series monitor and is intended for use in smaller control rooms where the somewhat large dimensions of the 811, 813 or 815 would be inappropriate, and for general purpose near-field monitoring. As with its larger forebears, the design concept targets for a flat power response at low distortion levels and centres on the co-axial single point source and time alignment principles to provide accurate time domain response, accurate stereo imaging and uniform soundfield. The units have to be ordered as right and left handed versions to further these design objectives by correct placement of the drive unit assembly in relation to the bulk of the enclosures.

    Presentation is definitely utility-orientated, with the drive unit assembly and crossover module screwed directly to the cabinet front with no fret panel or protective grille. Also on the front panel, under a foam plastic insert, is the reflex port, the input terminals being recessed into the back panel.


    Constructional Aspects


    The enclosure is a simple box of 18mm high density chipboard, with ample internal softwood bracing, lined and damped with high density fibreglass batts. It's a one-piece assembly with no removable panels and has a particularly rigid and solid feel to it. Still further absorption is provided by a liberal stuffing with low density fibreglass quilt.

    The tuning port is fairly large and square with a short plywood duct which is slotted down its length, and it may be noted that an identical apperture is provided to form a housing for the crossover module below, the slot being utilised to locate the circuit board. Thus, to form a left or right hand version of the 809, all that is necessary is to mount the drive unit assembly the other way up and reverse the tuning port and crossover module positions, thereby enabling either version to be assembled from the same cabinet shell. Clever, these Yanks!

    The drive unit itself is a substantial affair, comprising a heavily ribbed and damped 30cm piston carried by a high compliance foam front suspension system and featuring a double spider rear suspension arrangement to ensure absolute piston linearity. The voice coil details are not published but this would appear to be of copper ribbon on a 75mm former. A large ceramic magnet assembly is used, with a hole bored through the centre of the pole piece terminating in a threaded boss in the back coverplate to provide a coupling for the HF compression drive unit. Although unmarked, it's unmistakably a JBL transducer in all respects. The compression driver is the new JBL 2416H but bereft of any casing or frills, and this too is a fairly substantial piece of ironmongery, resulting in an impressive coaxial drive unit assembly of considerable mass and engineering.

    At the centre of the lo/mid piston is the familiar Urei 'blue horn' complete with its PVC foam 'icing' and its soft PVC side panels to provide that soft-edged, ring-free HF sound for which Urei monitors are justly famous.

    Over the years this horn has become almost legendary amongst the West Coast recording fraternity and even if with modern technology it were to be proved that it didn't serve any useful purpose at all, it would have to be there, even if only as a mascot!

    The crossover unit is built on a printed circuit board attached to the control panel and is internally supported to prevent the board fracturing under the weight of the large air cored inductors and substantial capacitors and wire wound resistors carried by it. Both response shaping controls are in the form of substantial ceramic cased wire wound potentiometers. It was also noted that the conductive track of the PCB and the wiring used are of larger cross sectional area to handle large current transients with minimum voltage drop. It is also interesting that with the Mexican border not too far away from the Urei factory in San Fernando Road, Sun Valley, CA, and a notable Mexican presence all around, that many of the crossover components used are actually made in Mexico!

    Although shipped for installation with the long dimension in the horizontal plane, if control room conditions dictate, it's an easy matter to rotate both the drive unit assembly and crossover control panel through 90° and mount the cabinet vertically instead. This will not effect performance in any way.


    Test Results


    The impedance/frequency curve is shown in Figure 1. The minimum impedance value occurs just after the fundamental resonance, which is as it should, and does not fall below 5.5Ω. Most power amplifiers should not therefore be in any way stressed in driving the 809, but connecting two in parallel, thus halving the load to 2.75Ω, may present thermal difficulties to certain amplifier designs. The fundamental resonance is unusually suppressed suggesting a relatively low magnetic flux density in the air gap, and the two pronounced peaks at 1.2kHz and 3.5kHz can only be due to compression drive unit diaphragm resonances and to crossover characteristics.



    Figure 1. Urei 809 Impedance/Frequency curve


    The amplitude/frequency curve is shown in Figures 2a and 2b. It became necessary to provide two separate plots in order to show clearly the effect of the HF Drive and HF Trim controls. Figure 2a shows the frequency response range available by adjusting the HF Trim control over its full operating range with the HF Drive control at its maximum setting, whilst Figure 2b shows the effect of varying the HF Drive control over its full operating range with the HF Trim control at its maximum setting. It will be clear that the two controls act quite independently and that between them, a wide range of response characteristics are available to suit individual control room acoustics and individual preferences.


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    Figure 2a. Urei 809 Amplitude/Frequency response showing HF Drive control range @1W.



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    Figure 2b. Urei 809 Amplitude/Frequency response showing HF Trim control range @1W.


    Derived from these curves, the basic sensitivity of the complete loudspeaker system works out at 95dB for 1W at 1 metre and the useful frequency response at 50Hz-15kHz if we ignore the HF spuriae at around the 20kHz mark. Note that 95dB is 2dB better than the maker's specified sensitivity figure.

    Figure 3 shows the second and third harmonic components at 6dB below full power sine wave and it can be seen that apart from the usual rising second harmonic characteristic from the compression drive unit, the distortion components are of a very low order, being negligeable over the working range of the low/mid cone driver, rising to 10% at 10kHz.


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    Figure 3. Urei 809 Amplitude/Frequency response showing 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion at 6dB below rated power.


    Figure 4 shows the horizontal polar response curves at 800Hz, 2kHz, 5kHz and 10kHz and it can be seen that a tight forward sound field of approximately 60° is obtained with good uniformity, especially over the frequency range covered by the horn and compression driver section. This type of polar characteristic will ensure a high direct-to-reverberant ratio and good source location and stereo imaging within the direct field of the loudspeaker.


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    Figure 4. Urei 809 horizontal polar response.


    The time alignment test with the measuring microphone 1 metre in front of the baffle panel gave 3.5mS for both drive units, thus showing zero time error and confirming the maker's time alignment design objectives. The resolution of the measuring system used is 0.1 mS.

    Tabulated Test Data

    Nominal Impedance 8Ω.
    Minimum Impedance 5.5Ω at 100/200Hz and 1.9kHz.
    Fundamental Resonance 62Hz.
    Sensitivity 95dB@ 1W average 80Hz-16kHz.
    Useful Response 50Hz-16kHz.
    Distortion Negligible below 2kHz, rising to 10% at 10kHz at 6dB below rated power.
    Time Alignment Zero error.
    Horizontal Polar Response 100° @ 800Hz included angle @ -6dB points.
    60° @ 2kHz included angle @ — 6dB points.
    60° @ 5kHz included angle @ 6dB points.
    50° @ 10kHz included angle @ -6dB points.


    Auditioning


    I don't think I have ever been so excited by any one product in all the years I have been reviewing loudspeaker systems. This may have something to do with the fact that I have always liked the West Coast sound and that much of the test material I use is East Coast recorded or mastered. But the sheer guttural clarity and presence of the vocals, the screaming electric guitar contrasted with the smooth, crisp articulation of the acoustic guitar, and the driving attack of percussion instruments, on all the test material previously listed, is something I have not before found combined in a single loudspeaker. And the sound stage imaging is absolutely superb.

    The 809 is clean, totally transparent and honest. Try playing a less than perfect recording, perhaps a revamped AAD compact, a bog-standard non NR Fe tape, or anything less than the very best Supercut black vinyl through it and you'll see just what I mean. It's totally unforgiving and won't let you get away with anything!

    All of which I find surprising, bearing in mind the LF roll-off characteristic below about 80Hz and the sudden death HF limit at 16kHz as shown in Figure 2.

    Also it's loud. The Hafler DH220 is capable of 175W per channel into 8Ω, and a programme level of 106dB(A) SPL in the listening room is totally clean and distortion free. It is also a subjectively loud loudspeaker: far more so than the 95dB sensitivity figure and the 100W power rating would suggest.

    Just one reservation. It did not do justice to the Shostakovich 5th: woolly basses, woodwind and cellos and generally lacking in presence, although strings percussion and wind sounded fine. My 12 year old LNB Paralab 20s at home provide a far more natural orchestral balance and timbre than do the 809s, but then, LNBs can get nowhere near the transparency, the imaging, or the punch, drive and attack of these 809s on modern music. It's a matter of horses for courses.


    Conclusions


    There is certainly no trade-off in any area that will adversely effect performance. It's a superbly engineered loudspeaker designed for practical application rather than to sit in a corner and look pretty. But nevertheless it does have a certain functional attractiveness about it and definitely 'looks the business' as a no compromise tool for the job.

    Its performance is affected by positioning and installation considerations and it does need an adequate power amplifier. Although the response controls provided are effective and provide a useful adjustment range, the performance of the 809 can be further enhanced by the use of external electronic equalisation, but only within the headroom constraints of the associated power amplifier and the displacement limitations of the lo/mid piston assembly.

    A useful and informative owners manual is included with the delivery.

    Next month I will be looking at the JBL 4425.

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    Given the debate with Rob any myself on tech information versus listening l think it would be interesting to engage forum members on what aspects of each loudspeaker system design, drivers and construction they believe differentiated the subjective comparisons in these reviews.

    We will assume the reviewer was unbiased.
    No l don’t have a prize for the best response. Sorry.

    I have had a preliminary look at the reviews myself. There are a couple of things that stand out in the reviewers comments. The reviewers independent measurements Some of the measurements hold some of the clues. Some of these things are weaknesses or advantages.

    No one is necessarily right or wrong here so it’s not a debate as such but a collective of insights.

    Tip: These facets are not so much visible on measurements but what most of you would notice as soon as you connect a different loudspeaker system without knowing what it is.

    Hint :JBL like to talk up their measurements but what do we sometimes experience when comparing seemingly similar models using for example a visually identical driver but is it really identical? Don’t be drawn on the manufacturer specs. Have a look at the independent test data. There are some underlying issues that effect key points made by the reviewer.

    Edit: l have a cold due to the aircon after living the life in tropic weather. Can’t have the vinyl collection sticking together…Lol. Think Florida or the Big Easy in the wet season. We have had water spouts, rain bombs, violent storms, lost lives, mass flooding and power outages repeatedly across the country. I will pop back later in the week.

    Andrew Jones interviews


    https://youtu.be/4t-wdP4gISI?si=EZLV41O6B7wMOXWb

    https://youtu.be/jw82UKQt_uk?si=56MzEoJ0_fNDqBJ4

    https://youtu.be/9SeT105kirY?si=uZX3oHHWIXn3G7f0

    https://youtu.be/b-OI6FwRAiE?si=40vghK4gm0zvPYPo

    These videos mainly cover consumer loudspeaker design where the system is not equalised in the consumers room. In the recording process monitors are carefully EQ’d and the listen level is calculated. The principles are similar for a near field monitor. But it’s used to extract deep into a recording mix more so than a consumer loudspeaker so the engineer can make the recording with minimal error and to the producers direction.

    There are several high performance dual concentric near field monitors.

    One of the key aspects of any loudspeaker Andrew discusses is

    Sensitivity (Efficiency is measured differently and related to the loudspeaker impedance)
    Bandwidth
    Enclosure size

    In a basic sense you can pick any two of these parameters but you get told the 3rd one.
    Another interesting insight are loudspeakers imperfections and determining which ones are a priority to deal with.

    The listening distance is discussed and the impact of room reverberation of listening quality. When are loudspeakers used as nearfield monitors? The trend today is nearfield to help avoid the impact of different recording control rooms used to assemble a recording. Nearfield monitors are optimised for a specific listening distance range.

    The challenge of an acceptable translation of a recording is discussed. Often near field, mid field and larger far field monitors are used to assess the translation of a recording.
    Andrew explains a lot of considerations come into play including errors in the recording and how subjectivity is used with measurements. This makes up an important aspect of the design with numerous trade offs.

    Price points have an impact of the quality of drivers particularly where exotic materials are used.

    It’s important to understand that monitoring today can be EQ’d flat but differences in monitors are subjectively audible by engineers. They sometimes take their own nearfield monitors to a recording event because they are familiar with their characteristics.

    Out in the world of HiFi diddly dee the situation is a lot less defined. Subjectively is a weapon for attracting buyers.

    As Andrew points out if you don’t have a reference of what something sounds like to can be very trick to determine what is the recording supposed to sound like. Andrew suggests buying a loudspeaker that translates well what you like to listen to. He said in comparison headphones are more accurate and detailed because there is no room interactions. Therefore it’s up to the listener to select a loudspeaker that has the mix of direct and room reverberation they prefer in their room. The distance you listen to a loudspeaker system makes this important.

    Andrew said earlier in his career he was totally focused on measurements. But he said he now takes a much deeper look at subjectivity. Not just measurements. The commercial success of his loudspeaker systems speaks for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Mackenzie View Post
    ...Hey, l was out listening to a band on Sat night standing right in front of the group.
    The sound of the cymbals was so enlightening. Metallic shimmers that were so clear. Why can’t we get that at home?...
    The 801C driver found in the 81xC series is as close as I've gotten to that shimmer. I haven't heard anything else that makes a cymbal sound like a cymbal should, as well as reproducing the liveliness/excitement of the entire drum kit. The 811C's I've got paired with the M&K MX350THX subs don't make the midbass magic that the 813C's + 2245's do, but considering how much smaller their foot print is, it could be close enough for some. They at least still have that shimmer and beautiful midrange. I can also tell that the gear I've got driving the 813C's is much better than what is driving the 811C's. Also, as much as I want a pair of 809's to complete my UREI collection, their sensitivity (91dB) is a bummer compared to the 811C (97dB). Therefore, the 811C would be a better choice for low watt amplification.

    From Ken's review:
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    ...The first thing to strike home is the laid back, smoother subjective response of the 4425 when compared to the strident aggression of the Urei. The high frequencies in particular are more open than with the Urei and the bass is more forward, but it somehow lacks the attack and that uncanny impression of presence and loudness which characterise the Urei sound. Also sadly missing is that imaging accuracy...
    "

    I don't know that I'd call the UREI's aggressive, once properly tuned to the room and your tastes. I do not have mine set flat EQ wise. But yes, that attack, accuracy and pinpoint image give the sound this immediacy that has rendered all my other speakers muddy or muffled by comparison. A time aligned coax driver is where it's at for me.

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    Hi Derek.

    Thank you for your illuminating insights.

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    You're welcome, Ian. I had a jam session with the 813's last night. Eh, I guess they can be a bit forward. But it's material dependent, how it was mastered I guess. Some stuff is really smooth and other material was less so. Then again, I'm listening well above 100 dB. At regular levels, everything sounds great. It's only when pumped up loud do some tracks fall apart.

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    Hi Derek,

    Great.

    Below is my take on why the reviewer preferred the 809.

    It’s kinda disappointing the 4425 didn’t win but as l outline below there are collectively a number of reasons.

    In the absence of other comments l offer the following:

    Firstly my view is that the increased sensitivity of the Urei 809 at 95 db under test @ 2.83 volts versus the JBL 4425 91 db@ 2.83 volts influenced the subjective assessment. Any compact system that is more sensitive will portray itself as louder and more punchy.

    The box resonance is lower at 30 hertz versus 35 for the 4425. The 809 bass response falls a bit higher up than the 4425 which is almost flat to 50 hertz. Subjectively this may portray a tighter damped bass response. The description advises of dual spiders in the 809 woofer. If this is correct it may have been used to ensure closer tolerances without the dust cap providing rigidity over the voice coil / diaphragm termination.

    The driver design is co axial and undoubtedly this physical design feature influences the spatial definition in the crossover region. The horn is a unique patented design which apparently was highly praised by east coast studios. Noted the horn isn’t a bi radial rapid flare rate design and appears from colour images to have a rectangular throat section and a horizontal folded mouth. Assuming the conical throat extends through the pole piece this is largely a conical horn design. In my own experience conical horns (A700 built by the late Bill Woods) have markedly more natural accuracy than other horn profiles including the JBL bi radial.


    While the group delay incorporated in the crossover wound in theory support the last ounce of subjective performance l feel the co axial design and the horn underpins the subjective accuracy. The polar response is narrower than the 4425 above 1000 hertz at 60 degrees till 10 khertz where is narrowers to 50 hertz.

    In comparison the 4425 features a crossover point of 1200 hertz with 12 db slopes. The horn is a rapid flare rate bi radial with a diffraction slope of about 19 mm. This rapid flare rate and a shorter than desired exponential throat really puts the 2416 driver under load.

    The distortion profile shows higher 2nd order profile in the sensitive 2000 hertz area. This is noticeable in my experience using these bi radial horns. It supports some types of music but not others. According to GT these compromises caused an audible roughness in the midrange around the crossover region of all three bi radial monitoring systems. The wider polar pattern may offer some benefits depending on the listening distance.

    Comments on the www praise the Urei 809 was one of best monitors ever made and is still highly regarded today. So go out and score a pair if you can find them.

    While l don’t want to kick JBL when they are down they tend to treat innovation in loudspeakers like a project with a group of external employees getting it to market. It’s then left dormant. They are primarily a driver mentality manufacturer as if they kind of grab drivers and shoe horn them into systems to make them work. There is no ongoing refinement to speak of. They then roll out their Cowboy marketing like they are the only people in the market place. The arrogance precedes them.

    Greg Timbers was the last of the creative individual thinkers who could conceive a uniquely exceptional loudspeaker system and execute it beautifully. He is missed but he will never be forgotten.

    I hate it when conglomerates chew up and spit out what were businesses with really talented people. Fuck you Harman. Hopefully JBL will be saved by a wealthy philanthropist who loves the legacy systems.

    In comparison the Urei 809 is an a really refined design with a lot of effort put into designing a subjectively very good design.


    These observations support the subjective review report.

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    There's a set of 809's right in my backyard for $1,000. But that seems too steep. I offered $800, but the seller wouldn't take it. I see conflicting data in regards to the 809's sensitivity, 91 or 93 and now 95dB? Is 95 the ticket?

    All I can say about modern business is that it's not just Harman, it's everywhere. Feels as if it's driven by popular culture, trends and accounting, not the people or the passion. That's just market-wank-a-teering spewed to the drones to keep them droning. The people in positions which could make the difference are too busy protecting their own nest egg(s) to care about others.

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    A Bi-amp tweak for JBL 4430 and 4435

    The 4430 and 4435 have a known flaw due to unloading of the bi radial horn near the crossover region. This causes a roughness in the response according to Greg Timbers.

    The high impedance necessary of the passive EQ adjustments in the network meant this was a compromise that was accepted. The engineers settled on these simple network.

    However, following a request for an active filter I investigated this issue and found a solution which offers a low impedance source the compression drivers virtually eliminating the issue.

    To implement this solution you will need to bi amp the 4430/4435 and using active EQ of the driver. This is easiest done with an active DSP crossover and I have provided the voltage drives. Remove all of the passive network from both the woofer and the horn.

    Use PEQ or Shelf filter @ 6db per active below 16 000 hertz to attenuate the horn at low frequencies. This will flatten the response.
    Do not use gain to boost the high frequency response in a attempt to EQ the horn. This will cause noise and risk of distortion. Then add a high pass filter around 1000 hertz. Refer to the attached curves.

    Smoothed curves are shown with the exception of the driver impedance. As can be seen its very bump impedance. This causes variations in the voltage drive with the passive networks. That's bad.

    Driver protection
    The main issue is dc offset and LF pops and pulses from turning on components in the wrong order (power amps always on last and off first).

    The active crossover high pass filters will not let a LF pulse through from upstream components like a preamp. I suggest you leave the active crossover on all the time. If wish to use a protection capacitor to prevent dc offsets use a value of 180uF bypassed with a 0.01 uf film foil capacitor. Do not attenuate the signal with a voltage divider as this will also cause ripple in the response. Any smaller value of capacitor will smear the correct voltage drive to the horn as a result of significant impedance variations caused by the bi radial horn. These impedance variations are tightly packed and will be translated into a bumpy response in the crossover region. The 180uF capacitor looks like a dead short at 1000 hertz and therefore eliminates almost all the ripple.
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    Nice to see a clear explanation of the reason to crossover into the 2344 no lower than 1K2 hz.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Mackenzie View Post
    A Bi-amp tweak for JBL 4430 and 4435

    The 4430 and 4435 have a known flaw due to unloading of the bi radial horn near the crossover region. ....

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    The 4440 crossover was 1,000 hertz.

    https://jblpro.com/en/site_elements/...35-information

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    These are the things JBL don’t want to talk about when they promote how good a new innovative is with their cowboy marketing. Nor did they differentiate the performance of the 2234H versus the 2235H. Practitioners knew the 4435 with the 2234H was vastly more accurate more accurate. They commented it’s a faster driver (midrange).

    The 2235H also had less travel before damage as the mass ring would slap on the pole piece.

    The better way would have been to use the 2234H in the 4430 with an external LF EQ. The marketing department were the problem. EV did this and it didn’t bother anyone that l am aware off.

    Edit . I edited my rant because the milk was spilt a long time.

    Oh the 4343 Bi Amp switch was also the work of the JBL marketing department and we fixed that issue….Lol.

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    I've never seen that explained before. Thank you. I am saving this page and probably will get a mini DSP. I have some 2225s I was going to re-cone to 2235 (aftermarket) and add the mass rings in my possession, but I may leave out the mass rings and use DSP to cross to the 2344s. I might as well give in to the new reality of active crossovers.

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