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Thread: JBL L200B with 2216nd, LE85/H91, and 077. Crossover recommendations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1audiohack View Post
    Ian it seems you may have missed the last sentence of the original post. ?

    Barry.
    Hello Barry

    I think you hit the nail on the head.

    That is an open invitation from the OP for any and all suggestions. That means any member of the forum who has a suggestion is welcome to post. I will admit to a novice it can be really difficult to determine which road to go down but that is the nature of the beast on any of these internet forums.

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    Hmmm - I have strongly considered setting up another L200 system -
    I was quite pleased with the sound using the 2234 woofer, the 2405 slot on top, and the 2445J mid driver on the walnut smith horn.
    I thought the wood horn had a much better, smoother sound than the JBL exponential horn.
    After the work setting up the Heathkit Valencia - it sounds quite nice - but, my memory of the L200s seems better.
    I checked back with @tinpan, but he didn't know I was still interested.
    So while I was trying to sell the Heaths, he got an offer and sold off the L200s ... sigh
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    So the new L200 project is ongoing.
    I got a pair of 2445j pro drivers, have a pair of the 2328 horn adapters, have a source for some replacement wood horns, and found some "Nelson Pass style" L300 crossovers.
    My old system had the 2234 woofers in place, but I'm interested in the 2216nd drivers this time around.
    Looks like the hard part may be finding a pair of the 2216nd woofers ...
    most places I've looked show them as sold out/out of stock.
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    Hello Heather

    The place in Florida had a sale on them and has not had them in stock since. Did you get on the waiting list??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robh3606 View Post
    Hello Heather

    The place in Florida had a sale on them and has not had them in stock since. Did you get on the waiting list??

    Rob
    I emailed Melissa to put me on the waiting list Sunday about 1PM. (2216nd - not the -1)
    Just before 5 she replied, said they were back in stock.
    I immediately ordered a pair - just over $900 for the pair, shipped. (ouch!)
    Yesterday I got an email that they were being shipped from San Diego and I'll have them next week!
    I'll share more once I see them.

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    I'm hoping to get a pair of L200 cabinets in the next month or so from the Subwoof closeout sale.
    I have a set of JohnW Walnut horns on the way from Texas (originally commissioned by Dhar)!
    I have a pair of JBL 2445j 2" tweeters on the shelf, and the 2328 adapters to fit them to the walnut horns.
    I've got the coated JBL diaphrams on the way to warm them up for home use ...
    I'm almost ready for a winter project, once those pesky Heathkit/Valencias go away ...
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    And UPS just came by ... 2 boxes delivered ...
    unbroken, unbent packages-
    so I took a peek!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    In my list of possible future projects, an upgraded L200 is on the short list.

    I'll either use a pair of 1501AL woofers that I already have or get a pair of 2216NDs.
    The plan would be to modify the cabinets to accept the longer 2312 horns and use an active crossover in the 800Hz region. Between the LE85 and the 077s I would use a passive crossover.

    Interested to see what you guys come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    And UPS just came by ... 2 boxes delivered ...
    unbroken, unbent packages-
    so I took a peek!
    Great News!!!


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    Even better news - a big box just arrived - a VERY well packed pair of JohnW walnut horns.
    Local audio-friend Dhar commisioned them at some point after I had my original pair,
    he sold them to a Lansing member in TX, and, he just sold them to me for my current project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    Great News!!!

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    Just a thought Heather , why don't you rent a DSP from one of the many ? pro sound houses in the DC area. That would give you the opportunity to assess the mode of operation , connectivity and ultimately SQ.
    I would run it up as a two way in the first instance.

    M

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    Always a possibility ...
    I'll look into that, once I am much further along.
    So far I have the new diaphragms in the 2445j drivers,
    and mounted on the JohnW walnut Smith horns.

    The 2216nd drivers are awaiting a cabinet.

    Current discussions include possibility of cabinets from Subwoof,
    or contracting cabinet builds from some of the local gurus.
    Baseline design is a 2 way - woofer internal, horn on top.
    Easy enough to work with that.

    But I really want to get the Altecs outta here first.
    And selling the Von Schweikert VR4s would help as well.
    (I need the room).


    Quote Originally Posted by macaroonie View Post
    Just a thought Heather , why don't you rent a DSP from one of the many ? pro sound houses in the DC area.
    That would give you the opportunity to assess the mode of operation , connectivity and ultimately SQ.
    I would run it up as a two way in the first instance.

    M
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    Beautiful.

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    2216nd in an L300

    Installed a pair of 2216nds in my L300s. I am using a Nelson Pass crossover wired in original polarity. Although the crossover and cabinet of the L300s are probably not optimal they do sound very good. There is better definition of bass notes and the woofer meets the horn better to my ears. I have about 30 hours play time on them so the sound my change slightly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alskinner View Post
    Installed a pair of 2216nds in my L300s. I am using a Nelson Pass crossover wired in original polarity. Although the crossover and cabinet of the L300s are probably not optimal they do sound very good. There is better definition of bass notes and the woofer meets the horn better to my ears. I have about 30 hours play time on them so the sound my change slightly.
    Excellent!

    What woofers were you using previously?


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    Previous woofers

    The 136a that were reconed with one of the last of the 136a kits. I have also used 2235s at one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alskinner View Post
    The 136a that were reconed with one of the last of the 136a kits. I have also used 2235s at one time.
    I’d love your opinions of the various woofers.


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