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    On the topic of port contours and flares unfortunately this does not solve the issue of port pipe organ resonances.

    On the AVS forums Erin has used Klippel to test and measure pipe organ resonance in number of JBL systems. From my observation the smaller LSR monitors suffer these problems. Yes it is audible according to Erin. This type resonance is a function of the enclosure air volume relative to the port air volume. A long port tube is required in a small enclosure volume compared to a shorter port in a larger enclosure of identical port tuning frequency.

    The only definite solution is to use a passive radiator. Focal and several other near field monitor manufacturers have used passive radiators successfully.

    In terms of overall listening satisfaction consider the following trade off:

    Is an over damped bass reflex design using a low port tuning frequency with a long port more important than risking audible pipe resonances in the midrange?

    In a small two way system probably not.

    Looking at the alternatives with a 3 way system you can limit the bandwidth of the woofer to avoid pipe organ resonances. But this adds cost and complexity to a commercial product.

    Adam and Focal both have premium 3 way near field monitors but they are beyond the budget of most home studio set ups.

    The passive radiator suddenly becomes an appealing option. But suitable panel real estate is required. For this reason passive radiators are now available in rounded rectangular shapes.

    An external powered sub woofer is another alternative. The main loudspeaker can use set up as a sealed enclosure while a seperate dedicated subwoofer uses an optimised bass reflex tuning. The advantages are powerful extended low bass. Tight upper bass and low colouration mid range.

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    HIGH-FREQUENCY HORNS, REALLY??

    The revenge of the mid/high dome...

    A number of my colleagues here only have an ear for the horn, discarding the dome idea with no hesitation. Well, if they really knew they'd possibly keep the other ear open for... the dome! This is part of an interesting discussion from Eargle's Loudspeaker Handbook, comparing dome vs horn distortion. Guess who wins, no not that one, out of your comfort zone i assume.

    I know this is not what you'd like to hear, it couldn't be, absolutely impossible, will never happen, etc. Nevertheless its true the dome has in fact less distortion than the horn, level for level. Ouch, you may be hurting now, with all this horn hardware. However, it is what it is, sorry.

    And while they cope with horn distortion in the 5% range i enjoy music with only 1-2% distortion from my domes, sounds fair to me! Horns are largely an output (SPL, impact) game, with pattern control (dispersion) being another important aspect of these.

    Who really needs 125-130 db capability in a home environment, where most of the listening takes place. I sure don't. Maybe the odd guy does. Some of the best (faithfull) monitors made, e.g. B & W 801, ATC SCM 300, some Genelec, etc. don't even use horns, instead have cones and domes.

    This is not intended to shame anyone here, nor their system, i simply find the situation rather fun when the small dome speaker (mid and/or high) presents less distortion than the larger horn hardware...

    I need to shoot a few pics to post here, as they explain the matter. Should come soon.

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    Hi Richard,

    I am not convinced that domes have lower distortion across the board. A lot has happened in both dome driver and horn driver manufacturing in recent times. If you subscribe to Voice Coil they regularly test both dome and compression drivers.

    JBL seems to have mastered the art of wave guides using soft domes in their LRS 3 series.

    It really depends on the application? The bandwidth of the transducers, actual SPL test levels and the type of test. sine wave or FFT.

    Below is a test by a reputable horn supplier to the diy market in Canada. See the distortion levels.

    https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/r...-1200-biradial

    Then there is the sound. Both domes and horns have a following.

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    First group of 3 pics regarding horn vs dome distortion. All pics are text from JBL's Engineer John Eargle,

    Loudspeaker Handbook, 2nd ed., Pages 200, 201, 249, 253, 256 and 258.

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    Example of a more rapid flare horn (and higher cutoff frequency) with a positive impact on distortion.

    Richard

    P.S. Another group of 3 pics to come, there's a presentation order/logic so that less familiar members can follow too. These might be the juiciest ones.
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