JBL110s

[SEAWOLF97]

Good Morning Seawolf97,

I have a few friends living in Portland, and Organ City. I was out that way back in 07, one of my college roommates was getting married. I remember it to be cold and wet the whole time. I absolutely loved it. Lots of good riding places, nice area for morning rides. Im with you, while I have a truck, and a nice car, I tend to take the bike due to being able to beat traffic. Mind you I do enjoy throwing the bike in the truck, and taking a drive to Sunol. Most of the time my rides consist of me walking out my front door and just going.

You are a native to the area, I was in Monterey a few weekends back. I’ve done many a rides in Santa Barba, nice area. My girlfriend is an avid shopper, they have nice out door shopping, and a few good restaurants as well. Many nice bed & breakfast spots, it’s one of our weekend getaways.

I’ve lived in the Bay going on 12 years now, and I recently found out that they hold a secret flea market on the 2^nd Saturday of each month. They hold it at the DeAnza College, the good thing is they only sale vintage audio gear. It runs from June-November. I think they are extending it till December, but I have yet had the opportunity to check it out.

If you are ever in the Bay, and it’s the 2^nd Saturday of the month, heads up! Nice to find someone with same passion for riding.

yeah, my Randonee's get more miles than my truck. The pickup is mostly used to transport the bikes to where I want to ride. We have a converted railway corridor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springwater_Corridor) 4 miles away that snakes across the area and comes right up to Goodwill's salvage store, where everything that is too weird/ddirty/broken for their retail stores ends up. Anything over 3 pounds is .89 a pound. Flat out amazing what shows up there.
I got at least 2 pairs of L-166's there at $5/pr. Have seen McIntosh there, records are $1 ea.
It's a 13 mile ride for me , partly through a wildlife reserve. It's right in the geese migration corridor. I dodge nutrias, skunks, snakes, roadrunners, pheasants, joggers and dog walkers.
Mountain lions have been spotted too. It parallels a large creek that is great for feet soaking in the summer.
The corridor also passes Cartlandia, a food truck mecca. $1 real tacos are only 100 feet off the trail. It's a rather "get back towards nature" ride with a shopping reward at the end.

Since GW is "by the pound" pricing, I've got all the Gore-Tex you could ever need. Retail stores dump their overstock there and lots of bike parts show up too.

Portland is so GREEN that they make me feel guilty when I burn gas and cycling/coffee/beer/records/hipsters seems to be the focus of our town

Spent a lot of time in Sandy Eggo too, but it's an anthill now.

[Jobrewer1983]

Nice, I knew Organ was one of the best cycling spots around, but I have yet to ride Organ. I had a co-worker when I worked for eBay/PayPal who would fly in a few times a week from Portland. He loved organ so much he would commute from there.. I figured it was a huge pain, but considering he was consulting, he was only there for a limited time. He would tell me about many good spots in the area to ride.

Springwater Corridor: This place looks awesome, 21 miles of road that leads to a Good Will, and tacos! Sounds like a dream come true! I would need to rig up a wagon to my seat stem though, I don’t think I could pass on anything McIntosh, I would end up walking it back, rested on the saddle. Im sure you know that trick. It’s almost an oxymoron. It’s a cycling, shopping, & eating, extravaganza. The next time I visit my fried, I’ll be sure to bring along the bikes.

We have a few similar places … the only thing different is what we dodge. I get to dodge, hobos, stray dogs, passing cars, and hipsters. Hipsters in skinny jeans to be exact..

Nice score on the Gore-Tex, it’s pretty dry in San Jose, and when it dose rain, I get wet.. I have rain gear, but rarely use it. I recently put my Vittoria Diamante Pro’s back on, due to the rain. Not sure if you have any experience with the Diamante’s, but if not, I would recommend them. They stick like glue, even in wet cond. Make sure you go with the Pro and not the Pro 1. You want to stick with the originals. I find them to be great tires for the rain.

San Jose try’s to be green… We have a lot of people with hybrids… We do have a lot of cyclists, but it’s mostly on a corporation level. What I mean is, they say they ride their bike. They usually ride to the bus stop a block away from their house. The average Joe would not pay hundreds of dollars to take the light rail for a year. Most of the people who take the light rail and VTA, are taking it because it’s paid for by our companies. I get free public transportation from work, VTA, Bart, Light Rail, but I don’t really consider that as a step closer to being green. I do try to do my part though. I ride many times a week to work, skip the VTA, Keep a coffee cup in my cube, so I don’t generate paper waste.. You know, all the standard things.

One thing I love about the bay area, is bike to work. I know that’s a national thing, for in San Jose, it’s pretty big. This is due to all the tech companies crammed into one area. The company I work for is equipped to handle many bikes, but we still have people locking them up in the stairwells, and random break rooms on each floor. LOL I love to smoke all the one time riders who come in all geared out, you can always tell who they are. Their bike has dust on the frame from sitting in the living room since the last bike to work. They all have on new jersey’s, shoes, and way to many strobe lights for the day time.

We do have the famous San Jose Bike party. That is a must, hundreds maybe a few thousand people show up, and just overtake the city. It’s a lot of fun, and a good ride. Most people will do the inner city portion of the ride, but there is a good size group who takes the whole 18-20 mile run around the city.

Ok, I better get back to work, I'm sure my email is building. Thanks for the good post!

Link to AK thread for the rack and JBL's... I have to keep this about the JBL's to some extent! :http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/sho...610654&page=4I just finished the 1st coat of stain.All one paragraph....

The formatting kills me, hopefully its fixed soon. apologizes for the huge body of text.. Figured it out! Not a huge body of text, sorry for the ones who had to read it as one..

Thanks again!

[SEAWOLF97]

Springwater Corridor: This place looks awesome, 21 miles of road that leads to a Good Will, and tacos! Sounds like a dream come true! I would need to rig up a wagon to my seat stem though, I don’t think I could pass on anything McIntosh, I would end up walking it back, rested on the saddle. Im sure you know that trick. It’s almost an oxymoron. It’s a cycling, shopping, & eating, extravaganza. The next time I visit my fried, I’ll be sure to bring along the bikes.

We have a few similar places … the only thing different is what we dodge. I get to dodge, hobos, stray dogs, passing cars, and hipsters. Hipsters in skinny jeans to be exact..

It feels like a private bike hiway. The cars at the few street crossings are used to bikes and I've yet to see an accident. We also have our share of homeless "campers" along the trail. You can always tell by the blue tarps just visible above the bushes. Police clear them out regularly, but they re-appear quickly. Have made good friends with the homeowner at the location where I park the truck next to the trail. His Japanese wife sometimes brings out tea & cookies for me at the end of a ride.

Nice score on the Gore-Tex, it’s pretty dry in San Jose, and when it dose rain, I get wet.. I have rain gear, but rarely use it. I recently put my Vittoria Diamante Pro’s back on, due to the rain. Not sure if you have any experience with the Diamante’s, but if not, I would recommend them. They stick like glue, even in wet cond. Make sure you go with the Pro and not the Pro 1. You want to stick with the originals. I find them to be great tires for the rain.

One thing I love about the bay area, is bike to work. I know that’s a national thing, for in San Jose, it’s pretty big. This is due to all the tech companies crammed into one area. The company I work for is equipped to handle many bikes, but we still have people locking them up in the stairwells, and random break rooms on each floor.
Thanks again!

Thanx for the tire tip. I worked at Intel and Electric Lightwave , but there were surprisingly few bike commuters. Parking lots full of BMW's & Merc's.

Nice day, today, in the weather predictions. Gonna do SpringWater again. Retirement, cycling and thrifting (accumulating audio, CL dumping) all seems a natural progression anymore. California is close enough for when I get the urge to re-visit the past, but then I miss how it used to be.

Is the 1983 in your LHF-ID a birth year as many do ?

[Jobrewer1983]

It feels like a private bike hiway. The cars at the few street crossings are used to bikes and I've yet to see an accident. We also have our share of homeless "campers" along the trail. You can always tell by the blue tarps just visible above the bushes. Police clear them out regularly, but they re-appear quickly. Have made good friends with the homeowner at the location where I park the truck next to the trail. His Japanese wife sometimes brings out tea & cookies for me at the end of a ride.

Thanx for the tire tip. I worked at Intel and Electric Lightwave , but there were surprisingly few bike commuters. Parking lots full of BMW's & Merc's.

Nice day, today, in the weather predictions. Gonna do SpringWater again. Retirement, cycling and thrifting (accumulating audio, CL dumping) all seems a natural progression anymore. California is close enough for when I get the urge to re-visit the past, but then I miss how it used to be.

Is the 1983 in your LHF-ID a birth year as many do ?

Yes, 1983 is my birth year (31).

While I do love the Bay area, the lack of good cycling areas can be kind of a pain sometimes. I grew up in a very small town in central CA (Hanoford), and the riding is great. we are close to the Sierra Nevadas, and pretty much all farm land. Flat as the day is long. You can watch your dog run away for a few days..

I don't think I will ever leave California. I will leave the Bay, but that wont be for a while.

We have a community of homeless in our area. It's called "The Jungle", and one of our major Bike trails (Coyote Creek) runs right threw it. The problem is that we have cyclists that have been mugged, and had their bike stolen. I have been stopped by a few crack heads asking for money, but I don't ride it at night anymore. Not alone anyways.. They clear it out every few months, but like anywhere, they compile again.

Its a sad situation..

On a better note, you mentioned building up your audio collection, I found a great album today. I found an autographed R.E.M. Album in a box of albums I picked up from a local savers. It's the Chronic Town album. I checked the signatures against some documented ones, and they are spot on. Ill have to get it authenticated... It will probably sit in my collection for a few years before i try to get it done. Once found a signed "The Band" album, it was from a live concert. 2 Vinyl special ed.. Got it for 3 bucks.. Mind you this is years worth of create digging.

What I have been looking for is the 90's albums, Pearl Jam, Tool, Nirvana.. 90's the 90's era is the hardest to find in Vinyl. I understand why though... Who was buying Vinyl in the 90's... Limited prints.

Ok, I better get back to work. Thank you for the correspondence!

[SEAWOLF97]

Yes, 1983 is my birth year (31).

Flat as the day is long. You can watch your dog run away for a few days..


On a better note, you mentioned building up your audio collection, I found a great album today. I found an autographed R.E.M. Album in a box of albums I picked up from a local savers. It's the Chronic Town album. I checked the signatures against some documented ones, and they are spot on. Ill have to get it authenticated... It will probably sit in my collection for a few years before i try to get it done. Once found a signed "The Band" album, it was from a live concert. 2 Vinyl special ed.. Got it for 3 bucks.. Mind you this is years worth of create digging.

What I have been looking for is the 90's albums, Pearl Jam, Tool, Nirvana.. 90's the 90's era is the hardest to find in Vinyl. I understand why though... Who was buying Vinyl in the 90's... Limited prints.

My son was born at the end of 1981, you sound similar. He sells vinyl online despite having his masters degree. You might find some of what you want in his listings.

http://www.discogs.com/seller/pdxpunk52

He is in Chicago , which is really flat too. I enjoy the varied terrain of Portland and do OK biking on the hills..

I buy vinyl for myself and also for him. Just shipped 38 pounds of LP's to him (thank heavens for Media Mail rates). We've got a fantastic 1960's type time capsule record store here that has 35 different vendors renting space to sell theirs. http://www.yelp.com/biz/crossroads-music-portland Well worth visiting on your next trip to the area. It's funny, my wife also likes going in there with me. It's got a good vibe.

yes I've picked up albums signed by both Simon and Garfunkle (only worth $25) and an autographed Elvis Costello that my son has displayed on a wall.

[Jobrewer1983]

My son was born at the end of 1981, you sound similar. He sells vinyl online despite having his masters degree. You might find some of what you want in his listings.

http://www.discogs.com/seller/pdxpunk52

He is in Chicago , which is really flat too. I enjoy the varied terrain of Portland and do OK biking on the hills..

I buy vinyl for myself and also for him. Just shipped 38 pounds of LP's to him (thank heavens for Media Mail rates). We've got a fantastic 1960's type time capsule record store here that has 35 different vendors renting space to sell theirs. http://www.yelp.com/biz/crossroads-music-portland Well worth visiting on your next trip to the area. It's funny, my wife who is N. Vietnamese, likes going in there with me. It's got a good vibe.

yes I've picked up albums signed by both Simon and Garfunkle (only worth $25) and an autographed Elvis Costello that my son has displayed on a wall.

Thank you for the Link, I will be sure to pass it along to my friends, hopefully generate some business for your son. Dose he own the business? If so, he is in a good place. A lot of new artists are starting to release their music on Vinyl and believe it or not, tape. It's a hipster thing. In fact, I just found out yesterday that a new record store opened near my house. They are starting to show up all over the place. Vinyl has been making a slow comeback for a while. Good sustainable market, If marketed properly. Dose he market on CL and ebay?

I will be watching his site for some good 90's LP's.

I would love to find a Elvis Costello signed album. I do have an iPod that I had Snoop Dog sign, he was in the area raising money for his peewee football league, and he knows my Girlfriends boss and stopped by her work. I asked her to give him my iPod to sign, and he did. The funny thing is, one of her other superiors lives next door to Tracy Chapman, and another coworker is good friends with Usher. Gotta love the Bay area.

Ok, I have a few things to knock out before I leave for the day, have a great weekend, and thanks again for the link!

[Jobrewer1983]

Good Morning Lansing Folks,

I was able to complete the rack, and start the set up process. What I would give to have a set of the L-150A's they would look so great in my listening area. They would also match my rack perfectly, and I have the wattage to power them.

I still have a few things to take care of...

1. Sound proof the room, add foam to the inner roof, and flat surfaces
2. Move the Axiom bookshelf speakers to the rear of the area
3. Adjust the room so that everything is centered
4. Hang some "Man Art"... Mind you my Girlfriend has the wall painted purple, so my framed Scarface poster probably won't be the best idea
5. Find a nice rug for the center
6. Enjoy the area...

I do have a few questions:

1. Anyone know the proper height that the L-110's should be placed at? Is there a standard height off the floor they should be?
2. Any recommendation on stand? I'm thinking about building some myself, unless someone has a good idea?

Thank you all for all the help, I'm sure I will have many questions in the future, and I hope I can be of help as well. I know a lot of you probably have a vast knowledge of JBL products, I really hope to pick some minds!

[BMWCCA]

I do have a few questions:

1. Anyone know the proper height that the L-110's should be placed at? Is there a standard height off the floor they should be?

Conventional wisdom is to have the tweeters near-level with the listener's ears. So, choose your chairs or couch first and make adjustments. You might also consider getting them just slightly off the ground to kill any unwanted barrier reinforcement and tilt them backward a bit and toe them in to aim directly at your sweet spot while keeping them spaced apart at least the distance the listener is from the speakers. For that you could try to construct the simple stands that came with JBLs in the '70s. Don't be afraid to mess with the "golden triangle" metric to make it sound right for your ears and your room.

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...mensions/page2

[Jobrewer1983]

Conventional wisdom is to have the tweeters near-level with the listener's ears. So, choose your chairs or couch first and make adjustments. You might also consider getting them just slightly off the ground to kill any unwanted barrier reinforcement and tilt them backward a bit and toe them in to aim directly at your sweet spot while keeping them spaced apart at least the distance the listener is from the speakers. For that you could try to construct the simple stands that came with JBLs in the '70s. Don't be afraid to mess with the "golden triangle" metric to make it sound right for your ears and your room.

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...mensions/page2

BMWCCA,

Thank you for the information, and for the link on the stands. Currently, they are on foam blocks, about an inch off the floor. While I do like the original JBL floor raisers, I sill want a little more height.

My idea would be to raise them with 4x4's stacked linkin' log style, this would require a bit of peg & glue work. I would have a slight tilt as well, but would be a lot beefier.. I would also apply a few coats of Danish Oil to match the stands to the rack. It will raise them off the floor a good 6-8 inches, depending on how I construct them.. I will draw it up today, and post the idea. Let me know what you think, and if you any modifications that could/would help.

Again, thank you for the information, Tweeters at ear level. Today will be a fun day!

[grumpy]

Personally, I'd go higher ... 12-18" is where I ended up with the similar L96,
but you may sit lower Something between the stand surface and speaker
bottom might help to prevent scratches and vibration-induced buzzing, e.g.,
very thin neoprene, felt, Blutak, ... (although others might argue for more
intense coupling to the speaker and floor... not my fight). L110 remains a
very listenable speaker

[SEAWOLF97]

I'd go for 16-20 inch stands , angled as Phil said ...up at a couple of degrees and toed in towards the listener.

My old L100's were a little bigger, and when I didn't have 2 nickles to rub together but needed stands , I made some from an old waterbed frame. 2x12's , cut a little over 2 feet long and the 2 pieces half cut across the width to lock to each other in a "X". (look at the letter "X" as an above view looking down on the stands) . Painted black on 1 view side and stained on the other so it was reverse-able to match whatever finished speakers were setting on them.

You will have to compensate for a little less bass than the current floor position provides.

Placing a sub, even a smaller one, in the room will round out LF's. (tho if vinyl is your main source, there usually isn't too much down there anyway) ... make sure of speaker lead polarity when connecting .. wrong pos/neg connections can ruin the sound.

[Chris Brown]

My L150 speakers have the 033 tweeter exactly 37" off the ground, when measured from the floor to the center of the tweeter dome. Since the L150s are designed as floor-standers, it would seem to indicate that JBL felt 37" was an appropriate height in at least some contexts.

[Jobrewer1983]

Good Morning All,

Thank you for the information, what I gather is I should be looking at 12-20" off the floor.

As you can see my stand idea will only reach 7", I can triple stack, and reach 10.5". I have not worked out how I want to do the tilt, but I'm sure ill work something out. Any suggestions? I want the look of the stands to be beefy, and heavy. I may need double the 4X4's, than double stack.. This would allow me to keep the look I want, and raise them to 14". Need to do a dry run to see how it looks. I also will be adding a foam topper to the stands, This will help dampen any vibration.

I have to many ideas for the stands. My other idea is to build a set that is pictured in an old University speaker advertisement. Super simple design, and they look great, just worried that they will be a little to flimsy to withstand the weight of the L110's. Basically, I would need to reinforce some of the sub frame.

Nonetheless, whatever direction I go it will be well documented on the thread.

Chris,

Thank you for the measurements on the tweeter height, I need to measure the distance from the tweeter to the floor on the L110's, subtract it from 37" and end up with the stand height.. I would love to fined a pair of the L150A's, I bet they sound amazing.

Again, thank you all for the great information, and for the conversation.

I better get back to work, I have a too many emails that I need to respond to.. Better start another coffee! Have a great Wednesday!

[dezmond]

Don't be afraid to give these 110's a bit more power then there rating. I just about buried the needles on a bose 1801 with them. I have no idea why the low 75w rms ratings.

[LRBacon]

Don't be afraid to give these 110's a bit more power then there rating. I just about buried the needles on a bose 1801 with them. I have no idea why the low 75w rms ratings.

The following is from their respective JBL Instruction Manuals:

Per the Power Capacity section the L110A's are rated for use with amplifiers of 10 watts continuous sine wave per channel up to 250 watts continuous sine wave per channel. The L110A Specification section listed the Maximum Recommended Amplifier Power as 250 watts per channel.

Per the Power Capacity section the original L110's were rated for use with amplifiers of 10 watts continuous sine wave per channel up to 150 watts continuous sine wave per channel*. The Specifications section of the original L110, listed Power Capacity as 75 watts continuous program, (which is not the same as continuous sine wave or RMS), the footnote stated that this rating was based on a laboratory test signal and to see Power Capacity section for amplifier power recommendations, which was previously stated.
*The explanation in a footnote in the Power Capacity section stated that it should be noted that many amplifier manufacturers use the term "watts rms" as a direct equivalent to the more meaningful "watts continuous sine wave."



Larry