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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    "Sgt, Pepper's" is the one I could really give a shit for; I could easily live without it..........
    From the same-ish time period , I prefer the much maligned TSMR over SP. "2,000 Light Years from Home" resonates with me. That's about how far from home I was during those years. Another that resonates is Grand Funk's "Closer to Home/I'm your Captain". My nano seems to usually play it on the homeward bound legs of my bike outings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
    I don't care if you disagree about tunes/groups, but no need to inject attacks.
    Just now saw this
    Was not aware that I had "attacked" you?
    I did rag on you with one line that concluded with a "smiley face"
    Best I can do on the internet to let you know I was only pulling your leg
    If I gave you the impression that I was on the "attack" then I am sorry for that
    Was only jiving (I don't "attack" people for what they do or don't like musically)
    Sorry for any misunderstandings

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    along with vinyl prices, the gougers are trying to make rent off TT's
    isn't that WAAYYY higher than new ?

    http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ele/5391544371.html

    Awesome Technics SL-1650 Direct Drive Turntable
    ADC K8 cart

    Works and looks excellent

    some very minor scuffs on lid
    previous owner name engraved on rear
    probably ready for a new mat

    Has original box and styrofoam

    $400
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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
    along with vinyl prices, the gougers are trying to make rent off TT's
    isn't that WAAYYY higher than new ?

    http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ele/5391544371.html

    Awesome Technics SL-1650 Direct Drive Turntable
    ADC K8 cart

    Works and looks excellent

    some very minor scuffs on lid
    previous owner name engraved on rear
    probably ready for a new mat

    Has original box and styrofoam

    $400
    Too much for the "1650" unless you're hot for a changer (in this condition)
    (I love AND own the models in this NON quartz-lock series)
    Takes a moderate amount of effort and at least $100 bucks to get them in "top" shape
    These ALMOST always need feet too
    I believe the "16xx" models enjoyed a suspended design versus the solid plinth like the "1300", "1400" and "1500" did, so the footer comment may not apply (not sure what the feet are like); Technics made a lot of variations on the basic design of the original "1200" over the years

    Several of the incarnations had bad cue/lift assembly design issues (read: TOO MUCH PLASTIC) and are difficult at times to repair; another reason I like the earlier versions (they seldom have an arm lift issue beyond needing new damping lubrication)

    My son's SL-1300 is beautiful now, sitting on some SL-1200MkII footers I stumbled across new at only $10 bucks a pop last year! That'll never happen again! I went through the whole machine, caps, cables et al................

    All that said? If he has the accessories and long spindle he could very well realize $400 for that one, but more realistically, unrestored, rough, engraved AND dirty?, around $150-$200 tops

    They are some damn fine sounding tables with a little effort

    I had a bunch of Technics information (on all the consumer, "pro-sumer" variations) I accumulated while rebuilding two tables last year and of course I put it somewhere so I'd know where it was......................and now, can't find it

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    Inside the vinyl revival: Facts, fiction and rock 'n' roll

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    Maybe a deal ? At least next to NEW prices. :)

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    SOTA STAR VACUUM SERIES V SME 309 VDH MC-10 SPECIAL - $2200

    http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ele/5399517541.html
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    They used to build SOTA tables right down the road from me
    Went bankrupt in 1997 (or at least had some financial difficulties which forced them into a restructuring and relocation)
    http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl93.html
    The new/old ownership are very nice people and are very responsive to inquiry
    I wrote them asking about the models appearing in the TV series "House"

    I have had the chance to see more than a few and hear them as well, being so close to their original factory
    They are certainly nice tables, but I think are a bit finicky and dated

    They sound VERY good when they are working

    I would never pay the prices they ask for a SOTA and I personally am not a fan of their high MDF content
    It's one of those designs out of the late '80s - '90s that seemed like a great idea at the time

    Nowadays, it's all about "high density polymers", Plexiglas and all sorts of other "high tech" materials, constrained layers etc et al......................which in my world just means, aka: PLASTIC

    Note too, like almost every "high-end" company on the planet, they clone the REGA:
    http://www.sotaturntables.com/newtables/moonbeam.htm
    I'll take the real deal with the crummy float glass over the plastic, thank you very much

    Not a fan of suspended decks in general with SOTAs being no exception. In all fairness, the new ownership (for some time now) does offer a lot of "up graded" parts and a "VPI" or "Linn like" endless up upgrade path as well. For me, a good turntable doesn't have to be such a complicated proposition. To each his own.

    There was always at least one broken down example upon every visit to the "Analog Room" with something not working or warped, sagging or dragging

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
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    maybe sold quickly ? not to me. Happy wit what I gots (unless a great deal happens along )
    Not surprising (I checked your listing and saw too that it was gone)
    They are definitely viable as far as I can tell (expensive too, both to buy and maintain), and clearly someone likes them
    I'm just not amongst their ranks

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    bought a Sansui XP-99 TT today

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    as part of an estate.

    reading up on it, seems unique as it has a second, but counter rotating motor/platter. Anybody
    ever heard of this ?
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    The sota turntables have a MDF sub-chassis. Since the platter assembly is very heavy, the sub-chassis warps over time, resulting in the platter and tonearm operating in different planes. It's a fundamentally flawed design. Not recommended. They do sound great when they are new.


    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
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    SOTA STAR VACUUM SERIES V SME 309 VDH MC-10 SPECIAL - $2200

    http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ele/5399517541.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don C View Post
    The sota turntables have a MDF sub-chassis. Since the platter assembly is very heavy, the sub-chassis warps over time, resulting in the platter and tonearm operating in different planes. It's a fundamentally flawed design. Not recommended. They do sound great when they are new.
    It is not the design that is fundamentally flawed, rather the execution

    After a visit to their current site, it is readily apparent that every part on an elder SOTA now enjoys a new and improved replacement part option/incarnation for a price

    I do not know the particulars but they MAY have addressed some of the original design's shortcomings materials wise

    The late '80s thru '90s all acrylic suspended designs from makers whose names you'll never hear again (one was from the U.K. and escapes me now) suffered the same fate: sagging, warping and cracking over time

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
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    as part of an estate.

    reading up on it, seems unique as it has a second, but counter rotating motor/platter. Anybody
    ever heard of this ?
    well, I got busy today cleaning gutters and maint b4 next big rain storm , so instead of riding I tested out some of the gear from the estate I purchased yesterday.

    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...l=1#post385853

    maggies = YES
    ESS AMT's = YES
    Sansui XP-99 = YES.

    got the Sansui playing right now. Tho it only has an M91ED, that thing sounds pretty sweet. maybe there is something to that dual motor/platter system ? MITE be a keeper
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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
    got the Sansui playing right now. Tho it only has an M91ED, that thing sounds pretty sweet. maybe there is something to that dual motor/platter system ? MITE be a keeper
    DO NOT underestimate the SHURE M91ED
    It is capable of giving plenty of moving coils costing thousands a run for their money with the right stylus

    As for the Sansui? It's a winner but heavy on the chips (ICs)
    It also employs an arm control belt

    IF you are not willing to re-cap it and service the belt, AND everything is currently working as it should I would suggest you sell it; get it while the gettin's good

    On the other hand, if you do decide to keep it, NOT re-capping it could prove to be a big mistake; once the electronics start getting wacky on those old Sansuis it can be a real bitch to get them back right again

    You can re-cap that one with Panasonic "FC"s for less than $25 bucks easy

    It is a very nice table (just a little on the light side due to base construction, like the similar DENONs from the same period) with a decent arm

    Easy to work on too, thanks to the modular layout design with plenty of slack in the flying leads

    The counter rotating platter allegedly negates the need for a super heavy plinth:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post

    It is a very nice table (just a little on the light side due to base construction, like the similar DENONs from the same period) with a decent arm
    It sat on my wifs lap on the trip home and she complained about how heavy it is. I looked it up on Vinyl Engine and they put it at 20 pounds. So not a lightweight, but a lot less than my 30 pound Denon.

    Thanx for the info about the caps/IC's. I may get back to your when ready to do it.
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    Boze made TT's ??

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