Speaker Cable...quick recommendations

[Punch]

I did a search and it was pretty extensive.

A few questions:

McIntosh MA6500 IA to the 250Ti's

#1 Speaker cable recommendations? I was going to go with the Kubala-Sonsa with Spades for $250/pr for 7' I am a cable novice, and I am not sure I need to spend that much though I know others spend A LOT more.

#2 I will keep experimenting with the room, but is there an ideal distance between the speakers (audio stand is equidistant between them)? Should I be 6' on each side (12' apart total)...7'...8'??? I was not sure how much cable to get....I do not want it too long, but I also do not want it too short so I cannot spread them out even further if needed.

Thanks.

[hjames]

Why spend big money on cables when you can spend it on music instead?
check the last half dozen or so posts in this thread -
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...ad.php?t=23092

Go to the 6 Moons site and look up the White Lghtning Moonshine cable article - basically its a white Walmart 40' extension 3-wire cord with the ends cut off and dual banana connectors soldered on. I bought 2 cords, cut them in half and made 2 pairs of 20' cables for my biamp monitors.

BMWCCA recommended it and I'll vouch for the quality sound!

For non-Biamp use, its $8 for the cable and maybe $24 for 4 high end connectors - certainly worth trying!

Markertek order for 8 of each (each cable needs one dual at each end)

8 [NYS508-B] Neutrik NYS508-B Dual Banana Plug - Black @$1.70/ea = $13.60
8 [NYS508-R] Neutrik NYS508-R Dual Banana Plug - Red @$1.78/ea = $14.24

I did a search and it was pretty extensive.

A few questions:

McIntosh MA6500 IA to the 250Ti's

#1 Speaker cable recommendations? I was going to go with the Kubala-Sonsa with Spades for $250/pr for 7' I am a cable novice, and I am not sure I need to spend that much though I know others spend A LOT more.

#2 I will keep experimenting with the room, but is there an ideal distance between the speakers (audio stand is equidistant between them)? Should I be 6' on each side (12' apart total)...7'...8'??? I was not sure how much cable to get....I do not want it too long, but I also do not want it too short so I cannot spread them out even further if needed.

Thanks.

[Eaulive]

250 bucks for 7' of cable?

I'm in the wrong business

[timc]

I'm confessing that I am among the cable nutters that spend $$$ on audiocables.

I'm also an electronics engeneer, and to be honest I actually see a connection between the makeup of the cables I think sound good, and their build up.

1. Good conductor area. The mm2 has to be sufficient+some to get the signal there.

2. Shielding. I have experienced wierd results with non-shielded and poorly shielded cables. Specially IC's

3. The RLC values of the cable. Some have very low C and some very low L. Some amplifiers seems to work best with one or the other. An example is a high power amplifier that just shuts down after a while with cables with high C and low L.


-Tim

[Eaulive]

I'm confessing that I am among the cable nutters that spend $$$ on audiocables.

I'm also an electronics engeneer, and to be honest I actually see a connection between the makeup of the cables I think sound good, and their build up.

1. Good conductor area. The mm2 has to be sufficient+some to get the signal there.

2. Shielding. I have experienced wierd results with non-shielded and poorly shielded cables. Specially IC's

3. The RLC values of the cable. Some have very low C and some very low L. Some amplifiers seems to work best with one or the other. An example is a high power amplifier that just shuts down after a while with cables with high C and low L.


-Tim

Granted, the lowest resistance and reactance is desirable, hence a big cable is better, twisted is good, shielding is good also why not. But I really doubt there's an audible difference between cables as long as they're not made of 100' of 24 guage telephone wire

I never saw any serious and impartial study of A/B comparisons that leads to tangible results, and I'm not holding my breath for it.

[timc]

Well. If we only talk about the cable and forget the audioband for a bit, the differences are actually incredible. We used a network analyzer to determine som impedance stuff. When it was calibrated we could see the impedance change by only moving the cable while connected with BNC. Granted this was in the GHz range.

But another more practical example. I had a twisted IC with a tube power amplifier. It was designed using the UTP principle. When close to the power tubes it gave a small hum in the speakers (Klipsch RF's) Wraped some aluminum foil around it and connected to the chassis. Hum gone.


-Tim

[JBL 4645]

250 bucks for 7' of cable?

I'm in the wrong business

It’s not Jewellery you know. Its only cable!

[hjames]

Okay, returning to the scene of the crime, yesterday I cut the second Walmart 40' cord into a second pair of audio cables, cut off the green line, and tinned the tips, using 4 of the dual connectors to complete them for the right side biamp cables.
I used white and black as + and - and it all went great - seems better than those old dull zip-cord lines I was using before.



Thanks again, Phil, for the heads up on these cables!

Why spend big money on cables when you can spend it on music instead?
check the last half dozen or so posts in this thread -
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...ad.php?t=23092

Go to the 6 Moons site and look up the White Lightning Moonshine cable article - basically its a white Walmart 40' extension 3-wire cord with the ends cut off and dual banana connectors soldered on. I bought 2 cords, cut them in half and made 2 pairs of 20' cables for my biamp monitors.

BMWCCA recommended it and I'll vouch for the quality sound!

For non-Biamp use, its $8 for the cable and maybe $24 for 4 high end connectors - certainly worth trying!

Markertek order for 8 of each (each cable needs one dual at each end)

8 [NYS508-B] Neutrik NYS508-B Dual Banana Plug - Black @$1.70/ea = $13.60
8 [NYS508-R] Neutrik NYS508-R Dual Banana Plug - Red @$1.78/ea = $14.24

[toddalin]

I cut the second Walmart 40' cord into a second pair of audio cables, cut off the green line,...

Why cut off, rather than use the green line? You still have its mass/space in the bundle, but none of its benefits of reduced resistance.

[hjames]

Why cut off, rather than use the green line? You still have its mass/space in the bundle, but none of its benefits of reduced resistance.

Already had plenty of conductor in use with the 2 16 gauge copper lines.
Two merged lines didn't fit the banana connectors.
Its a 3 conductor line, but there are 2 lines required for a full circuit,
so why double 1/2 the pair if you can't double the second line at the same time?

So if you enlarge one leg without enlarging the other,
you won't get much of a change!

(Its AC, so DC lamps aren't a good comparison ..)
Oh, and 60cps AC voltage is not the same as 20-20khz audio, for what its worth.

[BMWCCA]

Two merged lines didn't fit the banana connectors.

Yeah they will, it's just a but harder to get it all together but it will work. I did mine that way. What I know about electricity you can put under your thumbnail but I thought I remembered seeing something about the + side benefiting in some way from the extra lead. :dont-know

[toddalin]

So if you enlarge one leg without enlarging the other,
you won't get much of a change!

(Its AC, so DC lamps aren't a good comparison ..)

Not true, and I previously ran them on a/c with the same effect before adding the bridge rectifier and big-azzed capacitor to increase the voltage from ~16.5 vac to ~22 volts vdc and get some light out of the bulbs.

As for putting two wires into one side of the banana plug, simply strip one wire back a bit just before the plugs (both sides) and solder the third wire to it so you gain the benefit of the increased gauge without the problem of making it fit within the shell.

[SEAWOLF97]

I did a search and it was pretty extensive.

A few questions:

#1 Speaker cable recommendations? I was going to go with the Kubala-Sonsa with Spades for $250/pr for 7' I am a cable novice, and I am not sure I need to spend that much though I know others spend A LOT more.

might as well make a little alter in front of the gear and start a bonfire fed by dollar bills....similar effects

I can imagine some of the forums great minds getting sick at the thought of spending $250 for 2 seven foot speaker cables...

sources is more important.