Over LOL Monster® Cable LOL.Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97
I guess you could call it cable politics.
Over LOL Monster® Cable LOL.
I guess you could call it cable politics.
Yep,
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U boyz n gurlz is funnee
Out.
......and Rubbermaid's next to the Credenza!
For my most serious listening, I fire up my 10 lb. Automatic Radio 8-Track powered by a 12 volt car battery. This feeds two 12" Radio Shack guitar speakers (with the JBL lookin' aluminum dust caps). They're mounted in the bottoms of two 40 gallon Rubbermaid garbage cans with sufficient dampening (rags) and secured with coat hangers to allow for the rear waves to emanate.
I point these enclosures right at my head as I sit and listen to the cacophonous switching of tracks by Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen.
Interconnects by Delco Remy and a lot of gooey friction tape.
Speaker wires courtesy of General Electric.
I agree with many statements from many of you. A cable is a cable, regardless of the price. But, they sound different.
I have compared my relative cheap speaker cables (about US$ 500) and this is for 4 connections, as I bi-amp. I have compared these cables with some that would have cost me about US$ 16000, and yes, there are differences. But which of them are the best? I am not sure. That is, beside the price, I chose to use my $ 500 cables.
Cables are a matter of taste, and one that you feel sound better in one setup, does not necessary sound the same, or better on another setup.
It is the same with an amp. An amp sounding good on my speakers, doesn't have to sound good on another speaker. There is "A long and winding road" to find out.
But, if you sometimes hear that "wow, this i better to my liking", and you can afford the price, I say "go for it". This is the reason I in the first place said what I did regarding the Monster Sigma interconnect I use. It was a "Wow".
Originally posted by Rolf
I got some $40 pairs of Monster cable and they sounded a whole lot better than what they replaced. If you got 2 grand to spend on cables and can still pay your bills, good for you!The MONSTER Sigma had a price when I bought them to about US$ 2000, and is worth it! You can compare the difference to change to a better pre or power amp.
Yes, I can.
The other 99% of us here are wondering WTF y'all are talking about. Sure, I've heard a $250.00 system. I even have a couple of them.
But then I suppose you're using that quaint euro convention with the decimal where the comma should be so you're talking $250,000.00 systems. Even then, my response would have to be what many of my customers replied to me for decades when I told them the price of a new BMW: "That's more than I paid for my first house!"
Way more. Three times, in fact. And I'm still in that first house. Still playing my first speakers, too. But one thing us Americans have that you Norwegians don't is college tuition bills for our kids that would pay for your over-priced systems in just over four years. And then multiply that times three kids. Sometimes I envy your socialism.
Very true. I'm not sure about housing prices in the US but here in Norway a small apartment starts at about $120k. A larger single house would cost from about double that.
What tax rates do you have in the US? Here in Norway i guess the average is about 30% - 40% on income. Then there is added taxes on Alcohol, cars ++ and then VAT on top of that. Example: A car (think it was a Merc S class.) costs $272k. Of that $128k, is the price of the car. The rest is Taxes.
So i guess you American pay your college bills, and we Norwegian pay our Taxes.
And just to clarify. There are not that many $100k+ systems around. Me and Rolf just happen to know a few.
-Tim
2213 + 2435HPL w/aquaplas + H9800 (Matsj edition)
A $2 trillion question Can you count the zero's?The other 99% of us here are wondering WTF y'all are talking about. Sure, I've heard a $250.00 system. I even have a couple of them.
But then I suppose you're using that quaint euro convention with the decimal where the comma should be so you're talking $250,000.00 systems. Even then, my response would have to be what many of my customers replied to me for decades when I told them the price of a new BMW: "That's more than I paid for my first house!"
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Ask the other 99% of the world.
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/2902
http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...y?art_id=10129
Great. Now maybe the world economies can go back to being based on the fruits of their labor, rather than the pushing of their paper. Regardless of your contempt for the country you apparently long to visit, the fact remains; as the US economy declines, the rest of the world slips even faster. None of this is good for anyone. And let me remind you that AIG stands for American International Group and that their bailout windfall paid with my tax dollars is being funneled to many countries around the world who also depended on their trumped up derivatives to blow hot-air into their own economies and insure their pension funds.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
No need to get excited
You just seem to have trouble with big numbers.
Just dont forget the nine zeros (how to you say it Zees)
I am just putting it into perspective....
Originally Posted by BMWCCA
The other 99% of us here are wondering WTF y'all are talking about. Sure, I've heard a $250.00 system. I even have a couple of them.
But then I suppose you're using that quaint euro convention with the decimal where the comma should be so you're talking $250,000.00 systems.
And I was just joking. Do you check your sense of humor at the door of your man-cave?No need to get excited
You just seem to have trouble with big numbers.
Just dont forget the nine zeros (how to you say it Zees
I am just putting it into perspective....
I suppose the humor of Gilda Radner as Emily Littella would be lost on you, too. So much for enlisting your support of "endangered feces".
Never mind.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
C'mon, don't let such a little Zero get to you ...!
2ch: WiiM Pro; Topping E30 II DAC; Oppo, Acurus RL-11, Acurus A200, JBL Dynamics Project - Offline: L212-TwinStack, VonSchweikert VR-4
7: TIVO, Oppo BDP103D, B&K, 2pr UREI 809A, TF600, JBL B460
Cables everywhere what is one to do????
I started out buying one JBL woofer at a time, then one LE175 at a time then on HL at a time. I learned what components would make big difference and which ones didn't. Cables and speaker wire are at the bottom of the list. And everything over the many years has only confirmed this.
I some one has an extra $2000 send it on better speakers, you will hear the difference then!John
I have heard of it! I think it's called unobtanium! Just a small amount of this extremely hard to find element will transform ordinary copper wire into some wonderful. It will give copper wire magic properties, the ability to become a supper conductor at room temperatures,etc. Maybe Mon$tor cable uses this?The funny thing about super expensive cables is that most of the systems that they are connected to have a huge assortment of horns that look like they were nabbed from a passing brass band which by nature colour the sound anyway...........The best dielectric to use is air with a suitable distance between the conductors to disallow mutual coupling which is totaly impractical. The secret to a good cable is low overall resistance and very low capacitance. We are talking about electron flow here people. An electron from a hydrogen atom is identical to one from that of silver, lead, gold, plutonium or any as yet undiscovered element. If the resistivity of the cable is low and the capacitance is low, whatever is going in at one end will be the same as what come out at the other end. The sources that we use, tuner, vinyl, cd, dvd etc are so far from perfect that even I can hear the limitations in the recordings. Does this mean that using super expensive cables will make these limitations easier to hear? Theoretically, according to the hype, expensive cables should make the source material sound "better". Does this mean that all they do is to make bad sound good?
Allan.
Over the years http://www.audioholics.com/ has done some interesting test on speaker cables http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/.
Here is the link for those that are interested.
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