4355 as a center and sub

[Allanvh5150]

Hi all.

I am currently thinking about buiding a pair of subs for my home theatre. I am reconing a pair of E140 baskets with 2235 kits. I know what everyone will say, like, they will be totaly different from a 2235. I have run the numbers with several different cabinet sizes and to be perfectly honest, the pair of E140-2235 in a 10 cubic foot cabinet are only marginally different from a real 2235. I have decided to go with them. I thought to build a pair of B460's just because they look good. Of course they would be scaled down to 5 cubic feet fo a 15" driver. Now I have another idea. What are the thoughts on building a 4355 and utilising the 15"s for my sub and using the other speakers for a center channel. I plan on getting a 42" plasma and I think in would look mint sitting atop a 4355! Instead of using a 2441 and a 2405, I would probably go with a 2370 and 2405 combination. Give me your thought guys and gals.

thanks.

[Mr. Widget]

Keep on a dreamin'

Seriously, the 2202H will not extend low enough to be a top flight center. I really wouldn't use that horn period. In fact the use of 2235 kits in those baskets is the least of your worries.

Beyond that... do you really want to have your display that high off the floor? Lots of people do, but I like to have the center closer to my seated eye level.


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[Allanvh5150]

Thanks Widget.

Would you care to point me in a more "correct" direction? The processor that I use has the ability to route the low frequencies from any or all of the channels, to the sub, so having the center go "low" isnt really a problem for me. Having said that what would your recomended preference be for the low mid and the horn?

Allan.

[Mr. Widget]

Would you care to point me in a more "correct" direction?

Well, ultimately the correct direction is what ever YOU want within your space and financial constraints.

Beyond that, to give you my opinion, I'd want to know how loudly you play your system, the size of the room, and what your front left and right speakers will be.


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[Allanvh5150]

Hi Widget,

The space that I have is about 4m x 4m but the new system will move to a room that is 12m x 5m. The budget is what will get me the result that I want but bare in mind, it is sometimes difficult to get the drivers that I want all the way down in NZ. My current fronts are 2225 and 2370/2425, I have a pair of L86's for the left/right surrounds and, dare I say it, E20 rears and EC25 center. All driven with a total of about 1000 watts. Recently I built a pair of L150's and a pair of L150A's to swap for the fronts I have now. I am very pleased with these. I was beginning to tire of the horn style fronts as I play a lot of music and I find it tiring to listen to horns for a long time. But they are great for movies though. The northridge stuff is on the way out as soon as I build replacements. The only requirements I have is it must look good, it must sound good and it must be vintage JBL. But for now my mind is on the sub and the center.

Allan.

[Robh3606]

Hello Allan

Why not just go with a 3rd identical cabinet if you like your HT mains. I would not tie the subs into a center channel cabinet. Much better idea to have them separate for optimum placement.

Rob

[Mr. Widget]

I was beginning to tire of the horn style fronts as I play a lot of music and I find it tiring to listen to horns for a long time.

It's no wonder with those fronts... Those fronts would make a nice little PA rig, but I'd never use them in my home for music.


Why not make a custom center using L150 components?

Much better idea to have them separate (the subs) for optimum placement.

Widget

[toddalin]

You could use one 15" as the center and the other as the sub, as I do. I also put a switch on back that disconnects the 2235 from the center channel and routes it in parallel to the sub channel (bloated bass, but really kicks some butt). This is because my processor (Yamaha RX-Z9) does not use the center channel for dozens of the "music surround" settings, and around here, nothing goes to waste.

This is a 10 cu ft cabinet.

[Mr. Widget]

This is because my processor (Yamaha RX-Z9) does not use the center channel for dozens of the "music surround" settings...

If that's your thing. I am more of a purist and prefer simple Dolby Digital or DTS in which ever flavor the soundtrack or music was mixed in.

As for the center sub combo, it may work well in your situation or at least work well for you, but combining it does limit your ability to remove the "bloated bass" that may occur in some rooms... if you wanted to.


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[toddalin]

If that's your thing. I am more of a purist and prefer simple Dolby Digital or DTS in which ever flavor the soundtrack or music was mixed in.

Widget

Come over and listen to the "Roxy Theater" (my favorite for music) or the myriad of other venues that were actually based on measurements of the various concert halls, stadiums, churches, etc. around the world. I find this preferable for music to DD.

As to the bloated bass when used in parallel with the W15GTI, that can be tamed though use of the volume control and sub settings, if desired. In some cases (e.g., the anemic bass lines of the Doors where Ray used the Fender Rhodes key bass), a little bloat is sometimes just what the doctor ordered.

Recognize that I also use a Sunfire Signature. Furthermore, between the Sunfire and the W15GTI (without the 2235), when the Yamaha goes though the autoeq, the bass is flat at the seating area and the Yamaha applies LITTLE TO NO EQ to the LFE channel! (And boy did that take some tweeking between the two systems. )

[4313B]

What are the thoughts on building a 4355

Build three 4355's across the front and don't worry about subs.

[Allanvh5150]

Build three 4355's across the front and don't worry about subs.

Now that would be a good look. Do you have an endless supply of 2235's?

[4313B]

Now that would be a good look. Do you have an endless supply of 2235's?

I trip over the damn things all the time. I think they might horse around at night and make more.

[subwoof]

The little ones are called squawkers but by the time you put 180K into them and wait 18 years, you don't want them as woofers around your house.

I suggest a scaled-down version of the DMS-1 center channel with LE111H's and one of the new PT-H horns. Should be able to get down to 12" high.

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[Mr. Widget]

I think they might horse around at night and make more.

Widget