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    New Surround Mini-Monitors, Pics Included

    As many who follow my threads are aware, I've been re-doing my Cerwin Vega 10" 3-way front and rear surround speakers.



    This was brought about for two reasons.

    First, one of the speakers back had pulled off almost letting the speaker fall 16 feet to its demise (as well as everything below it). Luckily, it had wedged itself inplace rather than fall.


    The other reason was that the foams were shot and rather than refoam them, I opted to replace them with speakers that would never need to come down again (which requires outside contractors). To which, the woofers were replaced with the W10GTIs and the cone midrange/dome tweeters with 2425s/P.Audio PH-230 horns.

    The W10s barely fit in the cabinets and their backs are <1/4" from the rear cabinet wall. I thought this could hinder air movement from the rear vent of the woofer. Also, the old port was on the back of the cabinet and would need to be removed and sealed as it interferred with the woofer placement. I figured that as long as I needed to put a "patch" on the rear from the old port, I may as well drill another hole in the back at the point of the woofer vent and reseal it from the back to provide a small recess in which the air could effectively vent and "get around" the woofer.



    Crossovers were designed and constructed, based on modifications of the "Keeper" crossovers so that the surrounds would have similar internal electronics (and hopefully sound) to the L/C/R.



    To preclude the cabinets coming apart and falling (especially since they picked up about 30 pounds each!), 1/4" steel, "allthread" rods were placed through the cabinets that tie the backs to the fronts. The two rods along the top serve as a continuation of the eye-bolts that hang the cabinets from the rear. Additionally, a lower rod at the center was added so that the bottom of the baffleboard doesn't "pull out" and swing forward. The rods were then wrapped with duct tape to dampen any "ringing." Note that there was not enough room for the L-pads on the baffles so they were relegated to the lower side at the front. This will also let them be accessable with the speakers hanging in place.



    And Voila!







    I still need to make new "stand-offs" for the grills (and put in the rest of the horn screws), but that's being taken care of.

    And, as always, the bottom line is how they sound. Recognize that my room has profound influence of whatever speaker is in it. The reading was obtained on axis at about 1 meter. I believe that the peak just below 2.5K is a room node as both the woofer and horn show it when used individually. Irregularities in the lower end are probably mostly due to the room and floor bounce too. Depending on mic placement, I can get the bass flat to ~40 Hz before it rolls off.


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    Hello Toddalin,

    Congratulations on finishing your project- I love the minimalist look of your mounted enclosure, reccessed into the ceiling. I have a similar project planned for some 2118 and 2404. PS: The car was nice to look at as well.

    I forgot to ask- what is the crossover frequency you used?
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    Quality !

    Very nice work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Alesi View Post
    Hello Toddalin,

    Congratulations on finishing your project- I love the minimalist look of your mounted enclosure, reccessed into the ceiling. I have a similar project planned for some 2118 and 2404. PS: The car was nice to look at as well.

    I forgot to ask- what is the crossover frequency you used?
    Joe, approximately 800 Hz based on the L200B circuitry. The woofer operates at 12 ohms and using the N200B network, but changing the Zobal to 15 ohms took care of it. I wish I could get the L200 cabinets that smooth in the crossover range!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddalin View Post

    Just for you.

    Hello Toddalin,

    This could easily become a sportscar thread- I have one the same colour. Same colour different car. I will see If I can find a pic- or is that too OT?
    Have Fun - >>> Nessun Dorma - 12 years old <<<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Alesi View Post
    Hello Toddalin,

    This could easily become a sportscar thread- I have one the same colour. Same colour different car. I will see If I can find a pic- or is that too OT?
    Body is "Grigio Titanio Metallic" (titanium) and stripe is "Canna De Fucile Metallic" (gunmetal), both Ferrari colors.

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    While we are having our master bath remodeled, I had the contractor take down the two rear surrounds and started doing the mods on these cabinets (front left is still danging 16' in the air).

    Today I picked up two more W10GTIs (this time Mark IIs). I'm thinking that with the first mini-surround monitor done as a prototype and all four crossovers already constructed, these should go about twice as fast as the first one.


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