4410 vs. 4313B

[boputnam]

Originally posted by AudioGeek
...but maybe I missed something?

Only that the 43xx-series is something to stay snuggled-up to. They are nice... And that ain't just nostalgia.

[Audiobeer]

There is no comparing the JBLs to Thiels or Snells or any of the others you mentioned. The ones you mention are are by far superior in Fit and finish. Some people say that Thiels make your ears bleed, Others say the B&W sound Bloated. I happen to really like both. Your right, it is subjective. But that's Apples and Oranges. We were talking about just the apples (JBLs), It's all about what you like!

[Guido]

At the moment I rework a pair of 4410 and yesterday finished my 4313/L96 clones.

I had a direct A/B comparison. There is not a small gap but a valley between these speakers. 4313 is far superior!

I don't know why but it isn't a matter of taste. It's absolutely clear audible for everyone.

[jblnut]

I'm going to agree with AudioGeek here. I have some great speakers in the house and the 4410's hold their own. I haven't compared them next to a 4313 or L96 side by side, but I certainly don't need to make apologies for them either (plastic-framed tweeter or not). If you want more bass than they provide, the 4412 will certainly fulfill that need for you. As would a Sub15-loaded cabinet like I use :-).

As Giskard has pointed out there are certain cost reducing measures employed in the 4410/4412 and I won't argue that. How big a difference these really make and whether they are easily audible is the question I would raise.

At $300-400/pair for 4410s and $400-500/pair for 4412s, they represent a phenomenal deal (imho) on the used market - if you don't mind rather utilitarian cabinets. These were monitors after all and not living room eye candy....

jblnut

How is it that the 44xx series aren't "made quite as well" or "finished as nicely" as 4313's or L96's?? I mean, how much better could the finish be on my 4412's than what they are? Walnut veneer is walnut veneer, isn't it?

And what's not to like about their build quality, compared to other JBL's?

I think sometimes you guys get overly nostalgic for the older models.(?)

[4313B]

I'm going to agree with Giskard here. The 4406, 4408, 4410, 4412 series were all based on the L20T, L60T, L80T, and L100T and that line was one step below the Ti Series, which replaced the L86, L96, L112, L150A, L250 series. It was based on price points and the aluminum bodied high frequency dome radiators and 3-inch voice coiled 10-inch transducers had to go bye bye.

JBL did a few things to the 127H-1 and later versions to help them compare more favorably with the old LE10H. For one thing they beefed up the number of turns in the voice coil to crank up the Bl product. That helped quite a bit as the original 127H was really down on electromotive force. The 127H-x that we find in the XPL and 4400 series is NOT the 127A found in the Decade Series, or L40 and L50. I do have to admit though that I would have liked to have seen an LE10 variant in the XPL160 and an LE14 variant in the XPL200. Anyway, 4313, L96, 4410, whatever works for whomever. I'm pretty sure JBL's stance on the whole argument is "anything newer is better".