2216nd-1 available

[Kalle]

Interesting for in style of 4367:) But I guess the 4367-Wg never will be possible to buy.

http://reconingspeakers.com/product/jbl-2216nd-1-woofer-for-4367-320-0045-002/

I stick to my DIY M2 personally:)

/Karl

[4313B]

I stick to my DIY M2 personally:)No loss there. :)
I do find it very interesting that JBL is allowing these parts to be sold. They have certainly oscillated on their policy recently. :p

[srm51555]

No loss there. :)
I do find it very interesting that JBL is allowing these parts to be sold. They have certainly oscillated on their policy recently. :p

For us this is great, it breathes new life into the forum.

[pos]

I would be curious to see the T/S parameters of this -1 version, or better still a full-blown EDS !

[1audiohack]

Bummer that part number does not show up on the pro side of JBL parts.

Barry.

[ivica]

I would be curious to see the T/S parameters of this -1 version, or better still a full-blown EDS !

Hi POS,

Have You seen 2216nd-1 T/S ?
Pls, show us if YES

Regards
ivica

[pos]

Hi Ivica
Unfortunately I have not

[zeljkor]

I visited my friend and we did measure 2216nd-1. I am posting results.

[ivica]

I visited my friend and we did measure 2216nd-1. I am posting results.

Hi zeljkor,

Nice to be seen, but please, send us full recalculated T/S data, so can be used for the projects....

Regards
Ivica

[zeljkor]

T/S data measured from the first driver:
Re = 5.556Ohm
Fs = 28.26Hz
Qts = 0.376
Qes = 0.397
Qms = 7.12
Le = 0.461mH
Mms=134.1gr
Vas = 332.8liters

T/S data measured from the second driver:
Re = 5.52Ohm
Fs = 27.59Hz
Qts = 0.3572
Qes = 0.3776
Qms = 6.589
Le = 0.4703mH
Mms=123.8gr
Vas = 378.4liters

I am not sure how much my data is different from factory specs since they are not available.




Hi zeljkor,

Nice to be seen, but please, send us full recalculated T/S data, so can be used for the projects....

Regards
Ivica

[hlaari]

T/S data measured from the first driver:
Re = 5.556Ohm
Fs = 28.26Hz
Qts = 0.376
Qes = 0.397
Qms = 7.12
Le = 0.461mH
Mms=134.1gr
Vas = 332.8liters

T/S data measured from the second driver:
Re = 5.52Ohm
Fs = 27.59Hz
Qts = 0.3572
Qes = 0.3776
Qms = 6.589
Le = 0.4703mH
Mms=123.8gr
Vas = 378.4liters

I am not sure how much my data is different from factory specs since they are not available.

Nice to see some T/S data for this woofer
but why is so much different in Mms between both woofers, that´s strange?


Ari

[zeljkor]

Driver with lower fs was working around 2 hours in free air (20Hz , 3V applied). I suppose this influenced measured data. The second one was "cold".

[badman]

because MMS is calculated from the impedance sweep, deviations in measurement could influence the calculation. Big difference but may not reflect a real difference of ~10g.

[pos]

Thank you zeljkor!
Interesting, this thing seems to behave similar to a 2245H :blink:

[ivica]

Thank you zeljkor! Interesting, this thing seems to behave similar to a 2245H :blink: Hi Pos, 2245 vs 2216nd-1 Similars ???!??? Regards Ivica

[pos]

Well at least it models the same.

[Ed Zeppeli]

Funny how the h-1 is $15 cheaper than the regular h on this driver currently. Both are in stock.

[baldrick]

Have anyone compared the two versions of 2216nd?

[Ian Mackenzie]

No but a magazine review of the 4367 suggest it's kicks s lot of boxes

[Don C]

I am not sure about the validity of this data. But it looks like the idea might be to get flatter response without the use of any EQ. Both look pretty good to me.

76733

[Macovox]

I think the 2216Nd-1 is more suitable for domestic use, the compliance of the suspension (Cms) is 2 times less hard.

Cms 2216Nd-1 : 0.285 mm/N (http://petoindominique.fr/php/mysql_thiele_seul_ref.php?ref=2216ND%20(pour%20JBL %204367))
Cms 2216Nd : 0.144 mm/N (http://www.petoindominique.fr/php/mysql_thiele_seul_ref.php?ref=2216Nd%20vp)
Cms 2235H : 0.405 mm/N (http://www.petoindominique.fr/php/mysql_thiele_seul_ref.php?ref=2235H)
Cms 2226H : 0.160 mm/N (http://www.petoindominique.fr/php/mysql_thiele_seul_ref.php?ref=2226H)

[badman]

As in, does it retain the low TCR coil from the base model? A woofer with an F3 at 40 in 5.2 cubes is pretty great, and the softer suspension is definitely a plus for the excursion levels expected in-home.

[pos]

Power compression curves from the 4367 white paper are very impressive, comparable to those of the 4435, so it probably also use that same "magic" wire material.

[hlaari]

Power compression curves from the 4367 white paper are very impressive, comparable to those of the 4435, so it probably also use that same "magic" wire material.

which one do you think is better for 2-way system 1501Fe or 2216Nd-1?
do you think at you can tune 2216Nd-1 lower than 1501Fe?

[Macovox]

which one do you think is better for 2-way system 1501Fe or 2216Nd-1?
do you think at you can tune 2216Nd-1 lower than 1501Fe?

after simulation :

1501fe play in little volume, 46Hz -6dB in 48 Litres

2216Nd-1 => 28Hz -6dB in 243L or 33Hz -6dB in 156L

For me the 2216Nd-1 is better on the paper, more bass extension, low Le, low mms, double coil :eek: and easy available.

[pos]

Ari, I have no idea, never used any 1500 variant :)
IIRC the 4367 is said to be an improvement over the 4365 in the bass department.

[bubbleboy76]

which one do you think is better for 2-way system 1501Fe or 2216Nd-1?
do you think at you can tune 2216Nd-1 lower than 1501Fe?

The 2216nd-1 would be light-years better, you know it! (and sell your other pair of 1501fe to me)

:)

[lbstyling]

Can the 2242h (18inch I know) replace the 2216 in a M2 clone?
All digital crossovers.

[Mr. Widget]

Can the 2242h (18inch I know) replace the 2216 in a M2 clone?
All digital crossovers.You might be able to fit a Chevy truck body on a Corvette frame, but you won't have a very good Corvette or a very good truck.

Why on earth would you even consider doing that? For maximum SPL, or that is what you have? If SPL is your goal, there are better ways, if that is what's on hand, sell the 2242Hs and cough up the difference.


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