Looking for best horn tweeter for 4-way setup

[cka3o4nuk]

Hello dear community

just finishing build my 4-way system
and now looking for right (probably best if it didn’t cost like car)

active filters


sub 30-70hz B&C 15ps100 in TL (labyrinth)
Midbass 70-500hz Beyma 10g40(ported) insane driver best punch i ever get.
Radian 950pb + E-jmlc 300 the midrange is just excellent
Fountek cd 3.5h (already sold them) Clear very detailed sound but too light as i can hear


For sub and mid there are 2 lme49830 with 2sk1530 2sj201 output
for midrange and tweeter - zen4 - with pure film output capacitor

8 channel stepped relay attenuator with additional control of each 2 channels

so searching for the tweeter

what i used before in this system

Cd 3.5 ribbon in horn (plays everything but horn midrange had other character )
Beyma cf21f slot tweeter (to harsh sound but i like it more now)
Selenium st324 slot tweeter(very smooth but sometimes it seems tweeter does nothing )


what I’m looking on now

newcomer Faital super tweeter
http://www.faitalpro.com/products/schede/cd.php?id=502010090
like old jbl 075 077 ring radiator but..... not metal diaphragm and impedance is much better then beyma cp21f
dispersion bad because on bullet horn...

jbl clone BMS 4540 with horn(looked on e-jmlc 2000 but it not so smooth and drops down at high)

B&C de7(1 inch voice coil + 0.75 throat) + e-jmlc 1400 (more smooth but drops at high too and don’t really sure about sound quality)

Find old 077... in good shape but... it is hard and maybe they are much like beyma cp21f

and one more budget P-audio pht-409 smooth but don’t sure about dispersion

any other suggestions are welcome

there are here so much people with unbeliveble expirience ... so i hope to find the good choice

[louped garouv]

your work is nice!


with respect to active filters, Marchand will build you most anything you want --
and I have heard good things about their products/commitment to service...

although, to be candid, I have no firsthand experience with them

http://www.marchandelec.com/

there may be folks here on this very board that can help also...


good luck!

[cka3o4nuk]

your work is nice!


with respect to active filters, Marchand will build you most anything you want --
and I have heard good things about their products/commitment to service...

although, to be candid, I have no firsthand experience with them

http://www.marchandelec.com/

there may be folks here on this very board that can help also...


good luck!
Filters are already done)

[hjames]

Gorgeous woodwork & a very cool modular concept!
but - I have to say, the horn looks like something from early marcel duchamp ...
:applaud: (said playfully, no harm intended) ...

[neskor]

Maybe some Fostex tweeters like T900a or better T500aMKII or if you are on the budget T90a ;)
I have T90a which replace JBL 2405H.

[cka3o4nuk]

Gorgeous woodwork & a very cool modular concept!
but - I have to say, the horn looks like something from early marcel duchamp ...
:applaud: (said playfully, no harm intended) ...
Got Arai 290s horn (tad clone) before - much much worse

[cka3o4nuk]

Maybe some Fostex tweeters like T900a or better T500aMKII or if you are on the budget T90a ;)
I have T90a which replace JBL 2405H.
Listend to Fostex t925a with 5k crossover point sound bad, much more bad then even budget pht-409
and of coure fostex as for me has only disadvantage
high co point . poor directivity. metal diaphragm
:)

[neskor]

Than, maybe Electro Voice T350, TAD ET-703 or Beyma TPL150H

[cka3o4nuk]

Than, maybe Electro Voice T350, TAD ET-703 or Beyma TPL150H
Beima maybe will sond the same as fountek
now looking for ev st350(are the equal to t350?) .... tad is too expensive

[neskor]

Beima maybe will sond the same as fountek
now looking for ev st350(are the equal to t350?) .... tad is too expensive
"T350 uses the same voice coil as the ST350. ST350 has a different magnet structure, and wider dispersion.The T350 is much flatter on-axis than the ST350, due to the different horn designs. The T350 was intended to provide "flat" on-axis output without EQ, but to achieve flat on-axis response with the ST350, EQ is necessary."

[cka3o4nuk]

"T350 uses the same voice coil as the ST350. ST350 has a different magnet structure, and wider dispersion.The T350 is much flatter on-axis than the ST350, due to the different horn designs. The T350 was intended to provide "flat" on-axis output without EQ, but to achieve flat on-axis response with the ST350, EQ is necessary."
Thanx!
ill try pht-409) looks very similar to ev

[cka3o4nuk]

Thanx!
ill try pht-409) looks very similar to ev
Just bought radian 465pb and now looking for wide dispersion and flat horn :) gor it!

[Altec Best]

Very nice cabinet work.I have a pair of T350's and they didn't measure much higher than a pair of Altec 288's I have.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu255/Altec_Best/MY%20DIY%20PROJECT%20MEASUREMENTS/0583e709.png

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu255/Altec_Best/MY%20DIY%20PROJECT%20MEASUREMENTS/63756a0a.png

[cka3o4nuk]

Got pair of radian 465pb
and also pair of e-jmlc 2000 horns
so there is only 1 question left
where to place tweeter

[pos]

I would choose the second option, to avoid the UHF bouncing off the rear of the mid horn and to get a wider/homogeneous vertical dispersion. If you choose the other options you should add foam of something on the rear of the mid horn to at least prevent the bouncing...

Time alignment can be done in your active crossover. Perfect alignment is impossible at these frequencies outside of a very narrow axis anyway (not that it is of any consequence though: phase is not an issue there...)

[Robh3606]

I would use vertical directivity to your advantage, and just be able to pivot the tweeter so you can aim it at your primary listening position. You are never going to get it to sum properly through the crossover point no mater where you put it. There will always be some ripples in the response. A 2405 would be just the ticket as long as you are not going for 20k plus.

Rob:)

[martin_wu99]

It is said that this one is the best horn speaker

[cka3o4nuk]

. You are never going to get it to sum properly through the crossover point no mater where you put it.
cant agree with that with fir filtering(very high order more the 8th) and digital delay i can sum them wherever i want....
and i can eq it how i want and dont make any changes to phase.
with filtering thre is almost no point where drivers works together.

[pos]

FIR breakwall filters will be of no help there: the phase might measure flat through the crossover when measured exactly after having properly configured the delay, but move you mic 5cm and measure again...

[JuniorJBL]

It is said that this one is the best horn speaker


That would be subjective for sure. Looks kind of like a washer and dryer!:p

[martin_wu99]

That would be subjective for sure. Looks kind of like a washer and dryer!:p
Is there any washer and dryer that so expensive?:confused:

[Mr. Widget]

Is there any washer and dryer that so expensive?:confused:Cost is a poor measure of quality. In the world of high end audio there is no end to how much people may pay for some of the silliest things out there.


Widget

[martin_wu99]

Cost is a poor measure of quality. In the world of high end audio there is no end to how much people may pay for some of the silliest things out there.


Widget
I'll agree with you,considering many hifi lovers have spent lots of money only on cables in China,i think this is one kind of sickness:blink:

[martin_wu99]

FIR breakwall filters will be of no help there: the phase might measure flat through the crossover when measured exactly after having properly configured the delay, but move you mic 5cm and measure again...
Pos,your message box is full,i can not reply you:dont-know:

[cka3o4nuk]

and here is the result