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laurie
01-08-2010, 03:32 PM
Its something I've always wondered about. I've read many times over the years that speakers manufactured for European markets are "tuned" differently - usually taken to mean that living rooms are generally smaller in Europe (Britain anyway) and therefore speakers can have a slightly dry tone. As a result bi-amping and bi-wiring are quite common among specialist Hifi equipment.

I bought my speakers 20 years ago (1989). I've always thought they sound better with age, like a fine wine, I've never felt the need to replace them with something "better" or more expensive (I've listened to many speakers over the years including Monitor Audio, ProAc, BMW, Epos - all excellent brands). During the late 1980s the speakers were still being shipped over from the States. I remember 10 years ago when I was looking to replace my pre-amplfier, a well known local Hifi Shop near me called Billy Vee told me back then that if I wanted to replace my speakers I would have to pay £1000 to get the sound I was used to. Ten years on I like to joke that I would have to pay £2000 now to get the sound I want....hehe.

What I like is the open soundstage, the often holographic soundstage, deep bass but fast bass right in the heart of the mix adaptable to any type of music or voice broadcast and capable of sub woofer dynamics when called for (synth bass, drum solos etc). I have used these speakers for parties and all sorts and I have never heard them sound stressed in 20 years no matter the volume level, in fact the louder they get, the clearer they sound plus they also sound great at very low late night levels too. I have also seen them used as studio monitors, one studio in Sheffield uses them.

I saw on Google today JBL TLX 14s that were made in Denmark (during the 1990s?), a guy from a forum posted them. Here are the images http://img.muare.vn/ntuonghn/ResizeofRotationofSNC00200.jpg

http://www.phenom.vn/upload/2009-04-11/8467276406f2c3fd5c31bc8d223d72c15774.jpg. It just got me thinking and wondering whether both TLX 14s would sound the same or have a different presentation. Obviously I would have to hear them in the same system but as I said the specialist Hifi mags here in Britain have always emphasized the differences between speakers manufactured in Europe and the States.

Here are my TLX 14s



I wonder if there is anyone out there who has been able to do a like for like comparison of the same or similar speakers but manufactured in different countries or catering for different environments? Or if you have any thoughts about where speakers are manufactured taking into account slightly different methods of production, raw materials etc etc.

BMWCCA
01-08-2010, 05:19 PM
Looks like your picture is stretched though the tweeter seems similar to the LX22, though maybe a larger woofer, made in USA:

http://www.harmanaudio.com/images/products/LX22BLK.bmp

This might be a better shot of the TLX-14 and at that auction URL (http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db1-9b267dd4ddf9008e19bbd0c767252342.htm?cm_cat=0) it shows the woofer is made in USA, but not of exceptional quality:

http://www88.babidou.com/pic/2008/8/11/dl0528/2373.JPG

http://www88.babidou.com/pic/2008/8/11/dl0528/2375.JPG

laurie
01-08-2010, 05:46 PM
BMWCA, thanks for posting a high quality photo of the TLX 14s. The woofers are 20cm in circumference (8 inch) so quite big. The largest of "bookshelf" speakers.

Looking at the photo you posted, I feel there is a slight difference in presentation to the one made in Denmark - although I can't quite put my finger on it, it does look slightly different. This is the Denmark version.

http://img.muare.vn/ntuonghn/ResizeofRotationofSNC00200.jpg

laurie
01-08-2010, 05:50 PM
Looking closer, unless it is the light of the photo, I think the woofer on the Danish version looks slightly grey. Looking at my speakers now and the photo you posted, the woofers are more charcoal, even black and the fascia is darker than the Danish version, more black than grey.

BMWCCA
01-08-2010, 06:01 PM
Looking closer, unless it is the light of the photo, I think the woofer on the Danish version looks slightly grey. Looking at my speakers now and the photo you posted, the woofers are more charcoal, even black and the fascia is darker than the Danish version, more black than grey.
If you go to that Japanese auction link you can see the label says the speaker is made in Denmark, though obviously the woofer is made in USA. It's not unusual for the Japanese tinkerers to apply stuff to the cones. Regardless, I've never seen a really high-quality JBL using that type of tweeter, though the photos show the to similar tweeters, they are not exactly the same. Fred Sanford here has experience with them in his parents' speakers and says they work fine but I'm sure the baskets on the TLX-14 woofers are just stamped stuff like my LX22s, though the LX 22 used a 6.5" woofer. The similar LX44 used an 8" woofer but it was a 3-way.

So, pull a woofer from your TLX-14s and see what the label says! :D

laurie
01-08-2010, 06:12 PM
If you go to that Japanese auction link you can see the label says the speaker is made in Denmark, though obviously the woofer is made in USA. It's not unusual for the Japanese tinkerers to apply stuff to the cones. Regardless, I've never seen a really high-quality JBL using that type of tweeter, though the photos show the to similar tweeters, they are not exactly the same. Fred Sanford here has experience with them in his parents' speakers and says they work fine but I'm sure the baskets on the TLX-14 woofers are just stamped stuff like my LX22s, though the LX 22 used a 6.5" woofer. The similar LX44 used an 8" woofer but it was a 3-way.

So, pull a woofer from your TLX-14s and see what the label says! :D

Indeed the label does, thanks for pointing that out.

That's the reason I uploaded my photos (although they didn't come out very clear!) The label on my speakers states Northridge, California USA - no refernce to Denmark.

I always thought the Danish factroy opened in the early 1990s?

BMWCCA
01-08-2010, 07:27 PM
Oh I get it. Your baffle label says "made in USA" and other TLX-14 say "made in Denmark" and you want to know if they are different sounding. I couldn't see that from your photo, so thanks for explaining. Looks like the drivers are likely made in USA in either case, so I doubt if they'd sound very different.

Aren't the Everest-II cabinets made in Denmark, too? Or the new L-series?

Fred Sanford
01-08-2010, 07:55 PM
On my HP420s, it says "Made in Denmark" near the terminals, but the drivers say made in USA. The foilcal mentions JBL/Northridge, CA, but not "made in".

Some pics here (these tweets are 026Ti, I believe the LX22 uses them as well):

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=198164&postcount=8

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=198165&postcount=9

The LX600s (were at my parents, now they're here sitting idle waiting for their re-foamed woofers, in transit) and LX300s (still at my parents' house) use 027Ti. Their foilcals clearly state "Made In USA".

je

LE15-Thumper
01-11-2010, 02:53 AM
I believe there are also Vifa components in some of the JBL products as well...

laurie
01-11-2010, 01:58 PM
Hi BMWCA I've taken a couple more photos, hopefully they are clearer.