Modern Turntables

[Hoerninger]

Not at CES in Las Vegas but after a flight in a privat jet to LA you may listen a new 250 kg turntabel REFERENCE II by GOLDMUND, Switzweland (http://www.goldmund.com/products/reference/).
It costs 32.000 $.

http://www.goldmund.com/aimages/cover10.png

[Some buy a Maybach, a BMW or another car ;) ]
____________
Peter

[Hoerninger]

Not as new but with no record wear due to laser reading - and not so pricey.
http://www.audioturntable.com/
http://www.audioturntable.com/images/lt1.jpg

Some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable
____________
Peter

[Steve Schell]

I'm not certain that anyone makes better sounding turntables than my friend Chris Brady in Colorado, although many are pricier. We have used his Teres 'tables at several shows, always with outstanding results. I am currently awaiting a model 340 of my very own... yes!

http://www.teresaudio.com/

[rs237]

Sorry I can with the modern Turtables not start. Too much show, I am pleased with my old studio turntable very satisfied.
regards
juergen

[Jan Daugaard]

My favourite turntable of which I have 6 (six!) is the B&O Beogram 4000 from 1972; see http://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=311
Below a picture of one of them. They are all fully refurbished with new belts, new capacitors, and, where necessary, new cartridges.

[rs237]

Hello,
Where there are already turntables. I am looking for an old record with 16" diameter to be used for the US army in the 50s were used. Can someone help?

regards
juergen

[Skywave-Rider]

Hello,
Where there are already turntables. I am looking for an old record with 16" diameter to be used for the US army in the 50s were used. Can someone help?

regards
juergen

Those were transcription records of radio programs. I have one in red somewhere. I googled and see a lot of services which make transfers. You could make turntable queries, like this:
http://home.att.net/~dblawren/index.html (http://home.att.net/%7Edblawren/index.html)
They show a radio broadcast type turntable, a 16" "Rek-O-Kut."
I've never played my disc.

[BMWCCA]

I have a BeoGram 4002 I've owned since new. The problem with it is all the grease in the solenoids has dried up since the advent of CD players and it just won't work. Atrophy I'm afraid. I'd love to have it working but doubt the expense is worth it given how little time I have for record preening, etc., these days. Anyone know a good service facility for these or want to hazard a guess as to what it would cost to bring one back from a deep sleep? I still have all the original boxes and packing material. I'm currently using a radial arm B&O table (RX) of a later vintage that is working fine for transcribing vinyl to digital but just not as elegant in use as the 4002, or as fool-proof. I bought the BeoGram 4002 originally to replace a Thorens table I just couldn't trust house guests to operate without a hovering owner at their side.

Thanks.

[rs237]

Those were transcription records of radio programs. I have one in red somewhere. I googled and see a lot of services which make transfers. You could make turntable queries, like this:
http://home.att.net/~dblawren/index.html (http://home.att.net/%7Edblawren/index.html)
They show a radio broadcast type turntable, a 16" "Rek-O-Kut."
I've never played my disc.

hello,

thanks Skywave-Rider. The turntable its not the problem. My friend has a EMT927. It is not a single but a 12 "LP on the turntable.
"transcription records" has helped :)

www.ak-tubes.de (http://www.ak-tubes.de)

[Hoerninger]

My friend has a EMT927

The EMTs are rock solid, they are beautiful :yes: .
With the long arm tracking errors (angle) will be smaller than with most usual arms.

Yesterday when I looked at the TERES I was wondering about two arms in a different way:
The one arm for the outer part, the other one for the inner part. Both properly aligned would reduce the tracking error - useful when transforming to a CD.

But perhaps it would be more comfortable with the Beogram 4000.

Just2cts.
____________
Peter

Added: Turntable Geometry: Technical Papers (http://www.helices.org/auDio/turnTable/)

[Rolf]

Sorry I can with the modern Turtables not start. Too much show, I am pleased with my old studio turntable very satisfied.
regards
juergen

If you try to play the "1812" on ANY record player (that is if you don't have in another room, and we don't want that log cables, do we?) the pickup will jump out of the groove.

Most pickups won't even try to move in those canon shots. (I have experience with the record)

[rs237]

Hello Rolf,

I do not know if I have understood you correctly. My EMT948 with TSD15SF pickup has no problems with the canon shots. I hear it again and again like:D

regards
juergen

ps I can even hear backwards

[Skywave-Rider]

Awesome machine!:applaud:
My college radio station had a big one like that, don't know the manufacturer; but it had a huge wooden tone arm. I swear, in my memory, it looks like a 2x4!
Was rim direct drive and had an enormous gear selector "stick shift."



hello,

thanks Skywave-Rider. The turntable its not the problem. My friend has a EMT927. It is not a single but a 12 "LP on the turntable.
"transcription records" has helped :)

www.ak-tubes.de (http://www.ak-tubes.de)

[Rolf]

Hello Rolf,

I do not know if I have understood you correctly. My EMT948 with TSD15SF pickup has no problems with the canon shots. I hear it again and again like:D

regards
juergen

ps I can even hear backwards

Hi. If you compare the vinyl recording with the CD recording you will hear much more what a canon sounds like. That is if your speakers can handle it. No speaker can really do it.

[Mr. Widget]

My favourite turntable of which I have 6 (six!) is the B&O Beogram 4000 from 1972.I have an Oracle Delphi which is a different sort of beauty... but I agree, for sheer elegance no one has matched the Beogram 4000.

SIX!!! I only want one. I think it would look great next to my Nakamichi 700. :)


Widget

[rs237]

Hi. If you compare the vinyl recording with the CD recording you will hear much more what a canon sounds like. That is if your speakers can handle it. No speaker can really do it.

hello Rolf,

I can not really compare. My amplifier turns off in the (SA)CD playback with DC error if the guns shoot. My speaker reproduce the gunshots quite good. Not 100% a little distortion, but ok

regards
juergen

[rutabaga]

in spring 2007, my brother-in-law asked me to repair a turntable...
it was in the cellar....
:blink:

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/dscn8600

30405


a thorens TD 124 MKII ... with Ortofon arm...

I do my best to restore what I could.... so sad to bring back the baby to
the lucky father

:uhmmmm:

some days after, I found it in Paris.... for an affordable price :D

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/dscn9214

30406


this is the one I wanted : the 124 mkI with the sme 3012 arm...


Now I'm sure that an angel is watching over me:o:

[spwal]

my good friend has a vpi scout and it sounds fantastic. what a great player in the sub 2k area... complete with decent tone arm and cartridge.

have you seen altmanns diy tt?

http://www.altmann.haan.de/

http://www.altmann.haan.de/turntable/Turntablepics/Altmann_turntable.jpg

[rs237]

Another DIY turntable . Is from my friend Rudi.

regards
juergen

[hjames]

have you seen altmanns diy tt?

http://www.altmann.haan.de/


Awww - thats too cool - the platter is on a Harley intake valve!

[nrwjbl]

Can't resist showing my turntables I use for years fully satisfied. I prefer studio equipment solid built and no gimmicks.

EMT 927: the big one (16") used mostly by radio stations (wheel driven)
EMT 950: the biggest direct drive also for braodcasting
EMT 948: also used for broadcasting but not so heavy and bulky (direct drive)
All of them play all kind of music with no problems at all - even 1812 and no stylus-hopping.

peter

[scorpio]

Easiest answer, I have one of each - Scheu premier and Thorens 124 MkII. The Scheu beats the Thorens any day, but the Thorens still remain a lot more endearing (and also I have to say still need some love and care to show it's best)....

[Hoerninger]

Great gala here, thank you :) !

BRAUN PS 500
timeless design from 1973 - modern turntable?
____________________________________
synchronous motor
combined wheel belt drive
3 kg platter
tonearm adjustable on three achses
SME type headshell

Ortofon M15E super
____________________________________
needs some refurbishing,
I bought this TT for the low speed 16 2/3 rpm
for transfering to CD with half speed.

[Rolf]

After reading this thread I have a question: Why bother with Vinyl players at all? We all know (or should know) that a hi-end CD player makes much better sound. So why?????

[hjames]

After reading this thread I have a question: Why bother with Vinyl players at all? We all know (or should know) that a hi-end CD player makes much better sound. So why?????

I think the main reason is thats there is so much good music that has not been put on CD yet, either because its somewhat obscure, or because the rights may not be available. You HAVE to have a turntable to access those archives.

And a lot of folks think the sound from vinyl is so much different than the sound from many CDs - CDs can be so harsh sometimes.

Plus, there is the whole issue with many popular CDs being produced from overcompressed (overly loud) recording and the whole distortion element that overcompression brings along. Older recording may sound better than newer CDs of the same material.

Thats 3 reasons, tho I am sure there are others ...

[rs237]

After reading this thread I have a question: Why bother with Vinyl players at all? We all know (or should know) that a hi-end CD player makes much better sound. So why?????


hello Rolf

Two answers
1.) Some old Aufnamen there is only on vinyl or CD version was disfigured by remastering
2.) In my ears is the sound of a good Vinyl better than any CD. Unfortunately, my English is not enough from which to explain.

regards
juergen

[rs237]

I think the main reason is thats there is so much good music that has not been put on CD yet, either because its somewhat obscure, or because the rights may not be available. You HAVE to have a turntable to access those archives.

And a lot of folks think the sound from vinyl is so much different than the sound from many CDs - CDs can be so harsh sometimes.

Plus, there is the whole issue with many popular CDs being produced from overcompressed (overly loud) recording and the whole distortion element that overcompression brings along. Older recording may sound better than newer CDs of the same material.

Thats 3 reasons, tho I am sure there are others ...

hello hjames,

You were faster and hattes even further response:)

regards
juergen

[Rolf]

I think the main reason is thats there is so much good music that has not been put on CD yet, either because its somewhat obscure, or because the rights may not be available. You HAVE to have a turntable to access those archives.


Yes, that is right. Many LP's is not out on CD's. But, if one are, like me, listening to music, if you go to a concert. you will not hear all the noise a vinyl record produces. Hizz, Kick, Pops. On a cd you don't get this.




And a lot of folks think the sound from vinyl is so much different than the sound from many CDs - CDs can be so harsh sometimes.

Plus, there is the whole issue with many popular CDs being produced from overcompressed (overly loud) recording and the whole distortion element that overcompression brings along. Older recording may sound better than newer CDs of the same material.

Thats 3 reasons, tho I am sure there are others ...

Again yes. But CD's produced with care produce much more music and details than a Vinyl.

Don't you believe I have Vinyl? And heard it? I think I have heard much more than most. I am a model 52, and know some regarding this, and nobody have ever proved to me that a "top of the line" LP player sound better than a cheap ($2000) CD player can do.

I know "price is not often better" on this forum is an issue, but a CD player witch cost $10000 (like mine) is much better than a $500 player, and a lot better than a Vinyl player at $50000. I have compared them.

[Rolf]

hello Rolf

Two answers
1.) Some old Aufnamen there is only on vinyl or CD version was disfigured by remastering
2.) In my ears is the sound of a good Vinyl better than any CD. Unfortunately, my English is not enough from which to explain.

regards
juergen

That is ok. Read my post.

[hjames]

After reading this thread I have a question: Why bother with Vinyl players at all? We all know (or should know) that a hi-end CD player makes much better sound. So why?????

if one are, like me, listening to music, if you go to a concert. you will not hear all the noise a vinyl record produces.
Hizz, Kick, Pops. On a cd you don't get this.
Again yes. But CD's produced with care produce much more music and details than a Vinyl.



I return to the basic answer - some things are just not available on CD.
If you want to hear early Ellington, or Scott Joplin piano rolls on disc, or thousands and thousands of other recordings that exist no where else, you bother with a turntable and needles and all of that. So, for that, no matter how good a CD player is, its a moot point when the music isn't available on that media.

I am certainly not the audiophile (meant as a complement) that many people here are, I am low to low-mid budget at best, and most of the time I don't want the bother of vinyl - but there are sometimes when nothing else will do.

[scorpio]

I think that this is very much like the compression driver/horns vs direct radiator debate, there is no single good answer.

Me, I'm a 61 vintage, I always had vinyls, never got rid of them, and I keep buying plenty of them. I also have a pretty good CD set-up, I enjoy both just as well. And I have vinyls (lots of them) that are just as quiet as CD's.

Would I go into vinyl today if I had never used one before, probably not, I'd avoid the financial dilution it creates.

Yet, it's difficult to resist to these huge piles of fine vinyls at 4 or 5 euros/piece, when even a second hand CD is easily 8 euros...

And for me, the best bass I have ever heard are from a well set up turntable, maybe not as deep or percussive, but a whole lot more refined.

As someone else's here signs, it's all compromise! But as long as you enjoy it...

Cheers

[nrwjbl]

.... you will not hear all the noise a vinyl record produces. Hizz, Kick, Pops. On a cd you don't get this ...
...

Hi,

I can't find within my collection starting late 60's any vinyls that create those remarkable "hizz, kick and pops" as you describe. Probably because I
did not buy bad recordings you definitely find on vinyl. Further I take much care in handling them and using a Keith Monks washing machine to keep them clean even after decades. I tried a lot but a washing machine really helps to keep your (big) vinyl collection clean and sound very nice. Looking at the liquid vacuumed after cleaning from the surface of a vinyl you find a jelly-type of dustcream that was not cleaned by industry or caused by dust over the years. After cleaning they sound really fantastic again.
I bought lots of very fine vinyls on secondhand markets, they were nearly spoilt by dust and bad fingerprints and could be cleaned essentially with Keith Monks machine, thanks to KM that Englishman who built that first classic machine that still works with no problem for years.

I own (and owned) some pretty CD-Players (Mark Levinson, McIntosh, Teac-Esoteric, Bumester etc.) and of course have the direct comparison to vinyls. For sure Cd produce fantastic quality. Comparing recordings on vinyl and CD I prefer vinyl. Some of them have more dynamics than same recordings on CD. They give more emotion, don't know why but it is.

Maybe because it's more fun to take them out your collection, looking through very fine covers, pictures and informations within or printed outside as to take that cheap little plastic cover hardly readable and miniaturized with just a silver disc in it. It's more action preparing to play a record on a record player - but I like that trouble.

I think both medias are excellent to listen to your favourite music. But my vinyls are a piece of my life for me and I appreciate them as much as a good book I bought. I collected them from different places in the world and many of them you will never find on CD.

By the way: some days ago I finished copying my CD-Collection on harddisc. Have two HD's with each 1 TB space (backup), enough for thousands of titles uncompressed. What was really upsetting me was the comparison beetween a Mark Levinson CD-player and harddisc reproduction. Music from HD played so soft and "analog" reminding me of vinyls. A perfect reproduction, nearly equal to high-end CD-machine. An investment for HD-reproduction is only 10% compared to the price for a high-end CD-machine. In the future I will listen to my digital library only by harddisc. High quality, low investment, indipendent from "windows-world" as you do not need running your computer when playing and listening, and going through all your library sitting comfortably in your armchair with remote control and just listen. That can be very relaxing sometime.

So play your music enjoy it maybe analog or digital, what matters ....

peter

[rs237]

By the way: some days ago I finished copying my CD-Collection on harddisc. Have two HD's with each 1 TB space (backup), enough for thousands of titles uncompressed. What was really upsetting me was the comparison beetween a Mark Levinson CD-player and harddisc reproduction. Music from HD played so soft and "analog" reminding me of vinyls. A perfect reproduction, nearly equal to high-end CD-machine. An investment for HD-reproduction is only 10% compared to the price for a high-end CD-machine. In the future I will listen to my digital library only by harddisc. High quality, low investment, indipendent from "windows-world" as you do not need running your computer when playing and listening, and going through all your library sitting comfortably in your armchair with remote control and just listen.
peter

Hello Peter,

I have the same experience. I also have my CD collection on hard copy (3 terabyte NAS Storage) and play them on my LYNX TWO B sound card. Cd player all I heard sounded not so good

Regards
Juergen

[hjames]

Seems to be UK only sales -
http://www.keithmonks-rcm.co.uk/

Tell us a bit more about your hard drive music solution ... There are a number of them out there, which are you using?



Hi,
I take much care in handling them and using a Keith Monks washing machine to keep them clean even after decades. I tried a lot but a washing machine really helps to keep your (big) vinyl collection clean and sound very nice. Looking at the liquid vacuumed after cleaning from the surface of a vinyl you find a jelly-type of dustcream that was not cleaned by industry or caused by dust over the years. After cleaning they sound really fantastic again.

...
A perfect reproduction, nearly equal to high-end CD-machine. An investment for HD-reproduction is only 10% compared to the price for a high-end CD-machine. In the future I will listen to my digital library only by harddisc. High quality, low investment, indipendent from "windows-world" as you do not need running your computer when playing and listening, and going through all your library sitting comfortably in your armchair with remote control and just listen. That can be very relaxing sometime.

So play your music enjoy it maybe analog or digital, what matters ....

peter

[Hoerninger]

"In the future I will listen to my digital library only by harddisc. ... indipendent from "windows-world" as you do not need running your computer ... sitting comfortably in your armchair with remote control and just listen."

Hallo Peter ;) ,
interesting reading. How do you manage to have access to your harddisk without running a PC? iPot or something else?
____________
Peter

[Rolf]

Very well folks. I can ... to a certain point understand if you want to play music from the 40's, 50's, even earlier that is not available on CD's. But please understand me too. I can't do that, because I hate all the surface noise, and this is ruining the music to me.

To those who says that the LP is as quiet as a CD: How is that possible? You have a needle in a groove, and that make a noise by itself.??

I will not comment this further, as I understand it has no point.

[rs237]

Seems to be UK only sales -
http://www.keithmonks-rcm.co.uk/

Tell us a bit more about your hard drive music solution ... There are a number of them out there, which are you using?

I use a small mini PC without fan and without Harddisk. The operating system is on a flash disk, the Soungcards is the LYNX TWO B

http://lynxstudio.com/lynxtwo.html

Lossless grab for the CDs I use audigrabber 1.83

http://www.audiograbber.de/download.phtml

for play foobar2000

http://www.foobar2000.org/

regards

juergen

[readswift]

What was really upsetting me was the comparison beetween a Mark Levinson CD-player and harddisc reproduction. Music from HD played so soft and "analog" reminding me of vinyls. A perfect reproduction, nearly equal to high-end CD-machine. An investment for HD-reproduction is only 10% compared to the price for a high-end CD-machine. In the future I will listen to my digital library only by harddisc. High quality, low investment, indipendent from "windows-world" as you do not need running your computer when playing and listening, and going through all your library sitting comfortably in your armchair with remote control and just listen.
peter


please more info about your computer chain. Thats really-really hard to beleive for me , let's say technical specs dictate much worse perfomance compared to ML !

[readswift]

computer playback has triple amount of jitter (plus clocking is corrupted by HF garbage from pc psu. Mark Levinson has multibit converters , something non existent in soundcards. BTW . I have Lynx AES-16 , I think a high quality slaved CD transport can beat it in jitter spec. No compare yet.

[rs237]

computer playback has triple amount of jitter (plus clocking is corrupted by HF garbage from pc psu. Mark Levinson has multibit converters , something non existent in soundcards. BTW . I have Lynx AES-16 , I think a high quality slaved CD transport can beat it in jitter spec. No compare yet.

No sir, computer playback is not comparable with CD playback. The only jitter at the computer blayback relevant, comes from the clock generator on the sound card.At the CD player is the biggest part of the jitter from the transport.This part is not at the computer playback.

regards

juergen

[readswift]

Ok , then look for measurements at stereophile.com. Three times lower numbers for transports than RME soundcard. RME not even tries to stand out with their numbers "better than 1ns" ha-ha-ha. The thing is about asynchronous datatransfer without corrupted clock over Firewire or USB or recently HDMI, this would equal in theory - reading audio cd as files instead of tracks.

[readswift]

so no Sir, it cannot be *that* simple thing to kick the ML out of its playground.

http://www.lessloss.com/computer_audio_usb.html

[rs237]

hello readswift,

Would be nice if you have a link to the test at stereophile.com might indicate. If you talk over

"asynchronous datatransfer without corrupted clock over Firewire or USB or recently HDMI"

it seems the test is not going to do what we are talking about.

regards
juergen

[readswift]

of course the test has nothing to do with async data transfer, thats just the "future" in the form of HDMI.
You can buy however custom Async USB or Firewire solutions, very far from consumer mainstream , stuff Like Prism , Wavelength audio 3000 USD+ .


google is easy to do, like- stereophile.com RME - and better brands, look for the last pages inbetween measurements. I remember most of the nice transports are about 50ps. Rme analog out - 140. Spdif out- 250 or so

[nrwjbl]

Hallo Peter ;) ,
interesting reading. How do you manage to have access to your harddisk without running a PC? iPot or something else?
____________
Peter

Hi Peter,

here some more details about HD-music reproduction:

Hardware:
- 2 Maxtor Shared Storage harddisks (1: music data; 2: backup)
- DAC-converter (Mark Levinson ML 36, RME Fireface 400 interface)
- Sonos Zoneplayers plus Remote-Control (www.sonos.com (http://www.sonos.com))
- network connection to router for internet access.

Harddisks are connected via Ethernet with Sonos Zoneplayer. Digital files run into my DAC-Converter (RME Fireface or ML 36) which is connected to my preamp (either analogue or digital). On the other hand I can give digital or analogue signals back into Sonosplayer and connect it to my computer for recording by using Wavelab etc.
Very comfortable and easy to handle and no conflicts with a computer network.
Software:
- grabbing software (i.e. mediamonkey, EAC = exact audio copy etc)
- Sonos Control-Software if you want to play by your computer
- built in Software of Sonos Remote-Control to use without computer in function.
Proceeding:
Storing digital files via computer-network on NAS-Storage-harddisk. By this I can easily transfer my music on HD and get title informations and if I like CD-covers as software calls it from internet while loading. Music can be grabbed in lossless formats (wave, flac). Tests in different audio magazines have proven that digital files can be stored with no loss of quality on harddisks.For playing the music from harddisk I do not use my computer as I apply Sonos remote control with built in software plus monitor. This (stand-alone) unit is only connected to my router to get contact to internet for software update or internetradio.

Sonos Zoneplayers are equipped with insufficient DAC-Converters. To satisfy high quality reproduction I apply a very good additional external converter. This connected to the system gives really good performance.
I use it now for several months and cannot detect any jitter-problems. Sound is crisp and clear and with real fundamental bass, laid back, no harshness, not nervous at all..! I'm judging about just listening with my ears, I'm no technician to get measure datas. Sorry.

Listening to HD and switching to conventional ML 36/37-DAC/Disc-drive gives me a different "sound" but it's not at all a question of quality but of personal taste. I am very satisfied with my digital files now. Banned 8 head-high shelves with plastic CD-boxes from my listening room and replaced them by two tiny HD-drives which gave much room optimizing placement of my 4435's.
Even there is only slight noise of harddisks audible I put them next room to be sure not to get disturbed.

Maybe some did understand my contribution blaming Mark Levinson - not at all. I like this outstanding equipment and used it for years. But price is outstanding too.
We tested with Esoteric CD too and got nearly same result.
For me it's striking to reach such perfect results by using less costly digital harddisk reproduction.

Hope I could give some more information

peter

[rs237]

Of course, the result depends on the quality of the sound card. With a cheap onboard solution, it is of course no good results. But it is noteworthy that sterophile.com the sound of a $ 499 sound card with the sound of a $ 12500 CD player compares.
your LYNX AES16 is certainly not a bad sound card.
But it is a digital sound card. You still need an AD converter. The connection AES16-AD converter is again a source of jitter.

regards
juergen

[readswift]

yes you are right . I bought this card cause I can use multiple dac, for now 2 stereo dac for the 4435's . I don know how much caution is necessary, cause being multibit r2r they arent dependent on jitter as much as modern delta sigma.

[rs237]

I have long considered it as I do. Have then but the Lynx Two B. 2 inputs to digitize my old vinyls and 6 outputs for active control of my 3 way speaker.This is also a correct frequency response and delay for the mids and high possible.

regards

juergen

[hjames]

Time Magazine now says records are all the rage among the kids ...:D

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1702369,00.html

[remusr]

Ummm...I don't get the basic premise here that playing from a HDD rather than a music-only CD player is better. Don't you need a CD player to get it to your Hard-Drive in the first place? And using a PC's $20 or so multi-purpose CD-player to read and save a WAV file onto a HD surely isn't the equal of a reasonable "audiophile" music-only CD player. ??

[readswift]

digital is all about timing. Recording , grabbing a CD onto HDD has no clock to it, not even real-time, bits = bits . Once you start playing back from either CDP or PC, you have this clocking issue called jitter (phase noise) . There are phase noise requirments for 16bit, consumer grade spdif is not even close to that (ofcoures this depedns on the source, top cd transport can have 100x better jitter than PC integrated toslink source ) .

[Hoerninger]

Once you start playing back from either CDP or PC,
you have this clocking issue called jitter (phase noise) .

Did you mean the HD or the CD in a PC?
As far as I am informed the clockrate in a CD Rom is performed in different way than in a HD.
____________
Peter

[rs237]

Did you mean the HD or the CD in a PC?
As far as I am informed the clockrate in a CD Rom is performed in different way than in a HD.
____________
Peter

hello Peter,

Yes you are right. During playback HD > Sondkarte is the only source of the jitter, the clock generator on the Sondkarte.

regards
juergen

[pos]

so no Sir, it cannot be *that* simple thing to kick the ML out of its playground.

http://www.lessloss.com/computer_audio_usb.html

This link is hilarious.
I particularly like that statement, among others:

Playing the file from a deeply embedded folder instead of from top of directory:
Audible.
Seems to have same effect when file path name is maximum length, regardless of directory structure. Probable reason -- buffering issue, since the music playback software takes considerably longer to load the data prior to playback in these cases.:hyp:

[alessa]

I am also using a RME FF800 and have found absolutly nothing comparable to it s direct HDD decoding sound..

[Audiobeer]

This link is hilarious.
I particularly like that statement, among others:
:hyp:
Playing the file from a deeply embedded folder instead of from top of directory:
Audible.
Seems to have same effect when file path name is maximum length, regardless of directory structure. Probable reason -- buffering issue, since the music playback software takes considerably longer to load the data prior to playback in these cases.


You can elimanate a lot of these issues with upgraded cables on the hard drive. Also I use Grumpy's Ding Dongs as a base for my computer, it takes away a lot of the jitters.