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    S4700 for sale in the USA







    JBL Synthesis:

    The brand is launching three high-end speakers, including a $20,000 U.S./pair S4700 tower positioned as a more affordable version of the $44,000 U.S./pair K2-S9900.
    The S4700 is a three-way floorstanding speaker with 15- inch woofer, horn-loaded high-frequency compression driver, and horn-loaded ultra-high-frequency compression driver operating from 16kHz.
    In its Array series, JBL is bringing back two models discontinued a few years ago. Like other Array models, both feature a three-way design with woofer, horn-loaded high-frequency compression driver, and horn-loaded ultra-high-frequency compression driver.
    The Array 1000 is a floorstanding tower with a targeted suggested retail of about $9,000 U.S./pair. The Array 800 is a bookshelf speaker at a targeted $7,000 U.S./pair


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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post




    The Array 800 is a bookshelf speaker at a targeted $7,000 U.S./pair

    Man, I paid 1/3 of that for my pair during the closeout sale. And I personally would have a hard time paying much more for them.

    They are great little speakers, and I'm sure they'll sell for a discount under MSRP, but that $7K figure is just insane for these little guys.

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    aside from announcing a bunch of products quoted in US $, don't see anything to indicate the JBL's will be for sale in the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffW View Post
    They are great little speakers, and I'm sure they'll sell for a discount under MSRP, but that $7K figure is just insane for these little guys.
    Well, it doesn't make any sense to those of us who know what goes into them. But to someone with alot of disposable income who is buying an HT package and doesn't really pay much attention it does make sense.

    In other words, in their target range, if you priced them for less, you couldn't sell any. The kind of people that buy them WANT to pay $7k for them. They'd be insulted to spend less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    Well, it doesn't make any sense to those of us who know what goes into them. But to someone with alot of disposable income who is buying an HT package and doesn't really pay much attention it does make sense.

    In other words, in their target range, if you priced them for less, you couldn't sell any. The kind of people that buy them WANT to pay $7k for them. They'd be insulted to spend less.
    live? More seriously, what drivers will they use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    Well, it doesn't make any sense to those of us who know what goes into them. But to someone with alot of disposable income who is buying an HT package and doesn't really pay much attention it does make sense.

    In other words, in their target range, if you priced them for less, you couldn't sell any. The kind of people that buy them WANT to pay $7k for them. They'd be insulted to spend less.

    Interesting concerning "what goes into them" comment. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the lineup, it appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1040 View Post
    Interesting concerning "what goes into them" comment. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the lineup, it appears.
    What goes into them:

    One analogy might be that the drivers in the 800 Array and 1000 Array are to the drivers in the 1400 Array as the drivers in an L36 were to the drivers in an L96. Price points.

    Also, the cost of the systems has far outpaced the cost of the components (one exception would be the Everest II and K2-S9900 components, those puppies are truly expensive endeavors). That's one reason why we are no longer able to buy components. One could build a clone for a very realistic price.

    Remember back in the day when you could buy all the components for an L300 and build your own box? The cost savings wasn't all that impressive. You did it primarily because you enjoyed it. The guy or gal down the street who had no interest in spending any kind of time in a woodshop cheerfully spent the money to get the real deal.

    If you could buy the components for a pair of S4700 clones and build your own boxes the cost savings would be staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    Also, the cost of the systems has far outpaced the cost of the components (one exception would be the Everest II and K2-S9900 components, those puppies are truly expensive endeavors). That's one reason why we are no longer able to buy components. One could build a clone for a very realistic price.
    If you could buy the components for a pair of S4700 clones and build your own boxes the cost savings would be staggering.
    You're absolutely right!
    There IS some cost saving when cloning the Everest II. But it's far from staggering

    Without the help of forum friends it's impossible anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    What goes into them:

    One analogy might be that the drivers in the 800 Array and 1000 Array are to the drivers in the 1400 Array as the drivers in an L36 were to the drivers in an L96. Price points.

    Also, the cost of the systems has far outpaced the cost of the components (one exception would be the Everest II and K2-S9900 components, those puppies are truly expensive endeavors). That's one reason why we are no longer able to buy components. One could build a clone for a very realistic price.

    Remember back in the day when you could buy all the components for an L300 and build your own box? The cost savings wasn't all that impressive. You did it primarily because you enjoyed it. The guy or gal down the street who had no interest in spending any kind of time in a woodshop cheerfully spent the money to get the real deal.

    If you could buy the components for a pair of S4700 clones and build your own boxes the cost savings would be staggering.

    NO. I do not remember the good 'ole days. I do not build speakers. That-to me, is what JBL does(did). However, I do have have some speakers that were built by JBL. I actually paid $ for them. I am just curious where the cost cutting (@ the price point) lies. Example? 1400 Array.

    Perhaps another would be S/2600. I am not a woodworker & never will be. No matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post

    JBL Synthesis:

    The brand is launching three high-end speakers, including a $20,000 U.S./pair S4700 tower positioned as a more affordable version of the $44,000 U.S./pair K2-S9900.
    Thanks Valentin,

    Our rep told us about the S-4700, but I didn't know about all the rest. I'll find out more next week at CES.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    You're absolutely right!
    There IS some cost saving when cloning the Everest II. But it's far from staggering

    Without the help of forum friends it's impossible anyway.
    I know what you mean... for the Everest especially, with all due respect to the fabulous work done by our friends at Kenrick Sound, cloning a 43XX is some work, but cloning an Everest II is in another world.

    I am seriously considering "cloning" the 1400 Array. I would use the same horns/drivers, and a CC'd version of the same networks, but I will change the aesthetic design. I love the way these things sound, but the look of them is still a little jarring even after having them for over a year. It will cost me a bit over 50% of the $12K list price to do my own... not counting my labor, but it would be fun and gratifying, not to mention I would end up with a speaker that I'd prefer to look at.

    Personally, I wouldn't suggest that JBL is charging too much for the finished speakers... sure $12K is a lot of money for a pair of speakers, but it is far less in today's dollars than a pair of Hartsfields, or other high end JBLs cost back in the '60s. I am sure if they could make a profit at a lower price they would give it a go. Shipping wood to China and then large heavy cabinets from China to Mexico, and then the finished product to the USA is expensive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    I am sure if they could make a profit at a lower price they would give it a go. Shipping wood to China and then large heavy cabinets from China to Mexico, and then the finished product to the USA is expensive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    I am seriously considering "cloning" the 1400 Array. I would use the same horns/drivers, and a CC'd version of the same networks, but I will change the aesthetic design. I love the way these things sound, but the look of them is still a little jarring even after having them for over a year. It will cost me a bit over 50% of the $12K list price to do my own... not counting my labor, but it would be fun and gratifying, not to mention I would end up with a speaker that I'd prefer to look at.
    You might want to consider using the LE14H-4 instead for that little extra efficiency. You'd have to listen to an S4600 though and see if the -4 has enough bottom end for you. The SAM1HF and the LE14H-3 or LE14H-4 makes a great clone. There's also the 1501FE for some additional kick.

    As far as them recycling the 800 and 1000 Array, I've got to think that the SAM1HF/SAM2LF combo is the better choice to spend money on. I could be wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    You might want to consider using the LE14H-4 instead for that little extra efficiency. You'd have to listen to an S4600 though and see if the -4 has enough bottom end for you. The SAM1HF and the LE14H-3 or LE14H-4 makes a great clone. There's also the 1501FE for some additional kick.

    As far as them recycling the 800 and 1000 Array, I've got to think that the SAM1HF/SAM2LF combo is the better choice to spend money on. I could be wrong though.
    I've thought of that... a pair of LE14H-4s, kind of a mini Everest II, but I have the LE14H-3s and don't have the -4... and then there is the R+D, Greg has already done it for the !400 Arrays.

    As for the SAM1HF/SAM2LF, it is kick ass as a HT solution punching far above it's weight as they say, but for music, even when calibrated through the SDECs in a proper Synthesis system... nope, I much prefer the 1400 Array. Now, compared to the lesser Arrays?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post


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