JBL L110, L96/4313B

[Inspector34]

What differences will there be between these speakers? The L110's use similiar drivers to both the L96/4313B, but is the result the same?

Also, what are the differences in the networks between the 4313B network and the L110 network? Thanks!

[4313B]

All three sound different.

A few notes -

The LE10H, LE10H-1, and LE111H are all functionally and acoustically identical, only the cosmetics differ.

The LE5-10 and LE5-12 are functionally and acoustically identical, only the cosmetics differ.

The LE5-9 uses an edgewound copper ribbon voice coil while the LE5-10/LE5-12 uses a round copper wire voice coil. The result is that the LE5-9 is slightly more powerful with a little less bottom end and a little more top end.

The 033 is a soft dome phenolic high frequency direct radiator while the 044 and 066 are both hard domes. The 044 uses a copper voice coil for increased power handling while the 066 uses an aluminum voice coil for decreased mass.

The N96 network is identical to the N112 (L112) and N150A (L150A) networks except for wire lengths and foilcals.

Here are the schematics.

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FR/Impedance Curves

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As one JBL Senior Systems Engineer once stated -

"The 10-inch 3-ways always worked very well."

[briang]

As one JBL Senior Systems Engineer once stated -

"The 10-inch 3-ways always worked very well."

I love my 6 pairs of L96s and my one pair of 4410s .

Giskard,
the plots you posted really show the 16kHz "spike" in the 066 tweeter, and show the 066 with it's lighter aluminum voice coil to have wider frequency range than the L96's 044 tweeter.

[Inspector34]

Thanks Giskard, what differences will I notice between the direct radiator (033) and hard domed (044/066) tweeters? And will there be any differences at normal levels between the L96/4313B with identical 3113B networks, the only differences I see from the impedence curves is that the 066 has a wider response, You said, "The 044 uses a copper voice coil for increased power handling while the 066 uses an aluminum voice coil for decreased mass." were you implying that they are used for different purposes (L96 for home, 4313B for pro), but that they will sound nearly the same. And how difficult of a mod is it to rework the N96 networks into the 3113B, is this something that is commonly done, and if I do so, will I need to replace the tweeters from the 044 to the 066 for the best results?
I guess I could just wait and find a nice set of 4313B's, but they are going for about twice the price of a set of L96's.

Thank you so much for all the valuable information, I hope it was no trouble, and hope you didn't roll your eyes too much at me . They do look similiar visually. The only reason why I asked about them was that I was considering getting the L110's on craigslist, but it looks like the L96/4313B will both outperform the L110, am I correct in assuming this?


braing>> I don't know much about the 4410, what are your thoughts about this speaker system? I did a quick Ebay search and they look to have Titanium tweeters and are similiar in desgin to the L80T, to the best of my knowledge both use a 125A/127H variant (round frame) transducer instead of the LE10H variant which has always sounded better to me., Is this a misnomer, or is there a real difference? The difference I have noticed is in that the upper bass on the 125A/127H woofers is a bit lacking compared to a speaker system with the LE10H woofers. Thanks SO MUCH!

[briang]

briang>> I don't know much about the 4410, what are your thoughts about this speaker system? I did a quick Ebay search and they look to have Titanium tweeters and are similiar in desgin to the L80T, to the best of my knowledge both use a 125A/127H variant (round frame) transducer instead of the LE10H variant which has always sounded better to me., Is this a misnomer, or is there a real difference? The difference I have noticed is in that the upper bass on the 125A/127H woofers is a bit lacking compared to a speaker system with the LE10H woofers. Thanks SO MUCH!

To my ears, (bad as they are), I agree the LE10H-1 sounds better than the 127H, however, again to my ears, the 104H-2/035TI sound better than the LE5-12/044.

Yes, the 4410 is a studio monitor version of the L80T. IMHO, each speaker (L96 v. 4410) has it's merits over the other, only your ears can tell you which one to own.

On another note, Giskard has, in the past, said that using the 3113B network from the 4313 in the L96 (with bypass caps added) makes for a nice system. The 3113B network lacks the 0.01uf bypass capacitors of the N96, conversely the N96 lacks the conjugate in the woofer crossover circuit to roll off the midrange from the LE10H-1. It looks to me that with some careful and skillful soldering either network can be optimised per Giskard's preference.

[Inspector34]

"IMHO, each speaker (L96 v. 4410) has it's merits over the other, only your ears can tell you which one to own."

I agree, its difficult for anyone to say which sounds better, I really wasn't asking that, I just was wondering the differences (or the "merits" that one has over the other; as you put it) are between the L110 vs. the L96/4313B so I could make a judgement for myself..

Sorry if I upset you . I agree completely, no else but me uses my ears to hear with , I didn't think it could hurt to get a second opinion., now I know better.

I will rephrase, can I take it that you personally would prefer the L110 over the L96/4313B?

[Inspector34]

Did JBL build a speaker system that used the LE10H variant with the 104H-2/035ti combo?

[briang]

"IMHO, each speaker (L96 v. 4410) has it's merits over the other, only your ears can tell you which one to own."

I agree, its difficult for anyone to say which sounds better, I really wasn't asking that, I just was wondering the differences (or the "merits" that one has over the other; as you put it) are between the L110 vs. the L96/4313B so I could make a judgement for myself..

Sorry if I upset you . I agree completely, no else but me uses my ears to hear with , but on the other hand, it couldn't hurt to get a second opinion, at least I didn't think it could, now I know better, sorry for asking a question you could not answer, thanks for letting me know /

I will rephrase, can I take it that you personally would prefer the L110 over the L96/4313B?

Oh no, I'm not upset at all. Just trying to help out a fellow enthusiast with my tiny-tiny bit of knowlege. I intended no upset tone at all. If my typed words came off aloof or rude, I apologise. Tis' tough to judge tone on the net...

I like the L96 very much and have not heard the 4313 or the L110s.

I am fond of both the 4410 and the L96 and switch them out along with L112 and 4411 and 4412s just for fun. Truth be told, I prefer the 4412 the most, but IMHO the L96 is just as captivating in it's rendering of the midrange.

If I ever build the addition on my house that I want to, I can envision a 7.1 system using all L96s (probably with Giskard's 3113B mods).

[Inspector34]

Sounds GREAT! Bet that will be AWESOME! Yeah the net sucks, just wanted to make sure I didn't upset anyone. I truly appreciate your input.

I agree the 4312A is one great little speaker system, wish I had room on my desk for them. I am just fond of the vertical array of the L96/4313B as opposed to the L112, but they are virtually the same speaker to my ears. People seem to beleive that the L112 makes tons more bass than the L96 because of the larger woofer, but its hard for me to tell them apart. I too have only a teensey-weensey bit of knowledge to go from , at least I know I'm not the only one..

Hmm, I was just thinking the L100T should have the 104H-2/035Ti combo like the L80T.

What about swapping in a set of 128H woofers into the L100T cabs to replace the 2214H woofers? Has anyone tried this? Not quite the LE10H/104-2/035Ti combo, but it would be darn close and with more room to breathe the 128H would perform even better and they'd be vertically aligned the way I like 'em/

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People seem to beleive that the L112 makes tons more bass than the L96 because of the larger woofer, but its hard for me to tell them apart.

The 128H offers superior mechanical power handling. It's a great woofer, especially for avoiding excessive warranty claims due to being overdriven. I've personally always preferred the tight and true LE10H and don't require the higher Vd of the 128H or 128H-1.

My one-of-a-kind 110Ti's consist of the LE10H, 104H, and 044Ti.

What about swapping in a set of 128H woofers into the L100T cabs

Try it, it's 8 screws.

This thread should be moved to DIY moderators.

[Inspector34]

Sounds neat, I was thinking about building something similiar, but with the L100T's going for $250-$300 on Ebay it would be easy just buy them and swap the drivers.

Do you think the N100T networks would work well with the 128H to replace the 2214H?

BTW its nice too see that someone else appreciates the LE10H for what it can do for its size..

[Inspector34]

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This thread should be moved to DIY moderators.

Sorry Giskard, sorry moderators, I did not know that this needed to be posted somewhere else, what do you need me to do?

[briang]

My one-of-a-kind 110Ti's consist of the LE10H, 104H, and 044Ti.

Oh, do tell, Giskard. Care to share your crossover design secrets for the above? I have Spare L96 boxes, LE10H-1s, 104H-2s and 035TiA's available now...