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    I'll bet someone at Miller Dial and Nameplate would know; they made all of the foilcals. They were right next door to us on Casitas.

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    Early serial numbers on 1217-1290 horns

    Some early 1217-1290 horn serial numbers:
    1217-1290 serial number 404153
    1217-1290 serial number 410153
    1217-1290 serial number 502153

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey Gerst
    I'll bet someone at Miller Dial and Nameplate would know; they made all of the foilcals. They were right next door to us on Casitas.
    That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
    Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?
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    Hi Glen and Harvey,

    that's great....thread is going to the right direction..

    Miller moved from Casitas to some 10mls east,....El Monte , Temple City Blvd.
    Maybe that they have also a "Harvey Gerst" who can remember the old times.
    Is it posible that one of you CA's can contact them?

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    Early serial numbers on 150-4 drivers

    Some early 150-4 driver serial numbers:
    150-4 serial number 311-342
    150-4 serial number 311-347
    150-4 serial number 411-711
    150-4C serial number 502825

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    Now There"s a Really Curious Item

    The 150-4 (#711) marked as a 16 ohm device.

    It should be 32 ohms.Very unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glen
    175-34* serial number 40374
    *This 175-34 model is the only one I've seen hyphenated in this way.
    Anyone know why it might have gotten the extra "-34"?
    I found the 175-34 shown in only one place, the January 1954 Theatre Sound Systems price list (a 275-34 was also listed)

    This would seem to agree with the interpretation of the "date-code" serial number of the 175-34 giving a March, 1954 build date.

    Does anyone know what the difference was between the regular 175 & 275 and these "-34" versions? Were these early designations of the later "HP" versions with the more rugged phenolic diaphrams?
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    Hi Glen,

    my list shows also what you wrote....

    I have now:

    175's with the numbers:
    30474
    40274
    40374
    40474

    you seem to be absolutely right with the date code.
    Oldmics assumes that they changed the system in 1955/56 for 5 digit or 4 digits without any systematic.....maybe they only count up from this date.

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    The types with the -34 , as one example confirms were built in the C34
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    Quote Originally Posted by glen
    That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
    Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?
    I'm not 100% sure, but probably they did.

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    L65 components on Audio Talk!

    From the Audio Talk! marketplace:
    http://www.allaudio.org/detail-6813986.html

    JBL L-65 Jubal Components - Complete Set

    From the estate of former JBL designer responsible for the 077's
    "crystal" slot front.

    2 each of:

    O77 high frequency drivers. 8 ohms. Serial nos. 39998 and 40000.
    Perfect condition.

    LE5-5 mid-range drivers, perfect condition.

    126A 12" woofer, serial nos. 36308 and 36901. 8 ohms. Voice coils
    and cones good. Surrounds need replacing.

    Dividing networks Work perfectly.

    System badges with serial nos. 36089, 36091. Badges bent due to
    removal of components, probably straightenable.
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    It's NOT Miller time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey Gerst
    I'll bet someone at Miller Dial and Nameplate would know; they made all of the foilcals. They were right next door to us on Casitas.
    Talked briefly to a couple of people at Miller Dial and they said that any old records would have been purged long ago. And one person who had been there for 30 years knew they had done work for JBL but said that anyone with a recollection of that would have been retired from the company long ago.
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    001 system parted out on ebay

    130A serial no. 16661
    175 serial no. 8860

    1217-1290 serial no. 6703
    N1200 serial no. 5039


    three different auctions of components claimed to be from a single system :


    http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-15-JBL-Signature-Speaker-Woofer-130A-16-ohm-EX_W0QQitemZ9713901207QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

    from auction description:
    This is a Vintage 15" JBL Signature Speaker/Woofer 130A/16 ohm. Serial # 16661. Back of Cone - 5.4, 130-202. Came out of a JBL N1200 Cabinet. Excellent Condition! Great Sound! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (20.00 Cont.US). Thanks!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-1217-1290-Signature-Speaker-Tweeter-175-Driver-EXC_W0QQitemZ9713901213QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

    from auction description:
    This is a Beautiful Vintage JBL 1217-1290 Signature Sound Speaker Tweeter, Serial # 6703. And, the matching JBL Model 175 Signature Speaker Driver, Serial # 8860. 16 ohm. Came out of a JBL N1200 Cabinet. Excellent Condition! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (16.50 Cont.US). Thanks!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Sign...QQcmdZViewItem

    from auction description:
    This is one Vintage JBL Signature Sound N1200 Speaker Crossover. 16 ohm. Serial # 5039. L.F. - 1/2. H.F. - 3/4. H.F. Gain - Min/Med/Max. In - B/R. Very Good Condition! Works Well! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (12.50 Cont.US). Thanks!!!


    And then there's the pair of badges:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Sign...QQcmdZViewItem

    from auction description:
    This is a pair of Vintage JBL Signature Speaker Badges. Taken off the Grills of a pair of JBL N1200 Speakers. The Clasps in back of the Badges are gone. Good Shape! Bidding starts at .99 - Winner pays shipping (2.00 Cont.US). Thanks!!


    The pair of badges could indicate that these components came from two different 001 systems, but But the seller only mentions one "N1200" speaker in the auction for the components, so one of the pair may have come with the D130 that the seller is also auctioning at this time.
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    Lancer 101s parted out on ebay

    LE14A serial number 42234 and 42262
    LE175 serial number 10595 and 10605
    1217-1290 serial number 23925 and 23936
    LX10 crossovers


    three different auctions of components claimed to be from a single pair of Lancer 101 speakers :


    http://cgi.ebay.com/2-pieces-Vintage...QQcmdZViewItem

    from auction description:
    TWO 14" SIGNATURE SERIES--JBL LE14A WOOFERS
    You are bidding on a Two Signature Series JBL LE14A Woofers in excellent working condition.
    These woofers were used in a working pair of L101. Go to Lansing Heritage forums www.audioheritage.org and click on there vintage brochuers and goto the 1969-70 catalog.
    You are bidding on Two Signature Series JBL LE14A 14 inch Woofers in excellent working condition.
    These drivers are a classic. They were used in the high quality JBL speaker systems like JBL Lancer 99, Lancer 101 or C56, C53 as well.
    These speakers are extremely well built. Each sports a 4 inch Edgeqwound Copper ribbon vented voice coil and massive 11.5 lbs. ALNICO magnetic Assembly, 30 Watts continuos power, Free Air Cone responce 25Hz. These pair LE14A speakers for auction are in EXCELLENT condition. The domes and cones are all in perfect shape. . The WHITE FOAM surround is also perfect, NO CRACK and STILL SOFT. These pair speaker have smooth and sweet sound and they work perfectly, no voice coil rubs on these pair woofers and the cones are in perfect condition. I guarantee these pair woofers work and sound perfectly fine. These pair drivers work beautifully when tested. Both drivers have the close serial are 42262 and 42234, Rated 8 ohms Cosmetically these pair of drivers are rated as
    Great Condition, outside of the small scracthes on the brushed aluminum, which you have to get up close to see.
    THE WHITE SURROUND STILL SOFT, NO CRACK
    ,

    the two JBL LE 175 drivers are in my other auction
    payment:Bank or money transfer
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    http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-ALNICO-JBL-...QQcmdZViewItem

    from auction description:
    THIS IS A RARE PAIR OF JBL LE 175 HORN DRIVERS AND LENSES .ALNICO MAGNETS.UNITS ARE ALL ORIGINAL UNTUCHED WITH RED WAX SEALS.THIS IS A PART OF JBL SIGNATURE COLLECTION.SERIAL NUMBER 10605 AND 10595 VERY CLOSED .COMES WITH HORN TYPE 1217-1290 SERIAL 23925 AND 23936.UNITS ARE CLEAN NO RUST AT ALL REMOVED FROM JBL CABINET.DRIVERS ARE 8 OHMS AND THEY ARE TESTED AND IN WORKING ORDER.
    the two JBL LE 14A drivers are in my other auction
    payment:Bank or money transfer
    ask me if you have any question


    http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LX10-crossov...QQcmdZViewItem

    from auction description:
    Original JBL LX10 Crossover frequency 1500HZ,
    in a very good conditon from my LANCER L101
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    That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
    Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?


    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey Gerst
    I'm not 100% sure, but probably they did.
    Hi Harvey,

    Since you weren't 100% sure, and I was striking out at Miller Dial, I did a little investigation and found that a company named Nelson Nameplate was located at 3191 Casitas Ave, just down the block from JBL and thought they might've done some of the nameplate work too, possibly including the engraved plastic versions that came and went.

    Here's their webpage with a brief history of the company:
    http://www.nelsonusa.com/about/

    With the kind help of John Beilfuss I received this forwarded email from Ed Simpson who worked at Nelson Nameplate as a salesman in the 50s and worked his way up to become president of the company by the time he retired:

    JB,

    We moved into 3191 after the fire in 1955. JBL was already there as I recall.

    It was a couple of years later that an engineer from JBL came down to visit us. I took him through the plant and looked at some of the work he wanted done. I believe, in those days it was etch work and he also had some small screened or lithographed panels.

    We did a quotation for him and a copy to purchasing which was a lady but her name escapes me. They were a big Miller Dial account at that time.

    We did get some business and things were going well, they could come down and design parts and we made them quickly.

    This all came unglued when the Purchasing Manager whose first name was Red and again the last name escapes me took the business away from us and retooled Miller.

    The whole thing only lasted about a year. It is interesting to know that the Purchasing Manager later was let go and went to work for Miller Dial in the same capacity.

    There would be no records from any early dealings with JBL that I know of.

    Ed
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    JBL-Registry

    Thanks Glen for your work to find out more about the serial numbering system, but I cannot imagine that the foilcal company does the punched or printed numbers. i guess they made the naked decals and the Northridge guys made the number.

    Anyway....the Registartion counter is now on 1068

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