4699b Cabaret Series

[warpig]

Thanks for the comments and I mean no disrespect to anyone here. I am a rookie and wish I had the knowledge of all here. That is one reason I come here is to learn from all.

Mikebake again that is what I was thinking (if it's too loud, just turn it down)

Speakerdave said. Another things is, those particular drivers are going to have coloration which is OK for a few hours at a show or dance but day after day for hifi while quickly grow old. But I do not quite understand this could some one explain?

Also would this only be at low volumes. The reason I ask is this system will probably not be used for really low volumes. I am not saying that it will be wide open all of the time. For home theater and low volumes I will use the Onkyo and above speaker setup or the Yamaha M80 has an ABC switch so I could leave the L166 on the B switch and use them for low volumes.

For higher volumes would the 4699bs have good clarity (sound good) I understand there are other factors involved (junk in junk out and such). I did do some research on the drivers on this forum. The E155

Again Thanks to all for the replies.

[4313B]

"Giskard says simply yes"

So I should have qualified the "yes" instead of being lazy?

I've always liked the Cabaret Series. The 4699B is a very cool system for it's intended application. It just isn't my choice for home hi-fi at all. The E110 and E155 are musical instrument loudspeakers and damn good ones too but they really aren't designed for home hi-fi use. Yeah, like anything else, you can kind of force them into the role. Look at the Everest and what had to be done with that filter to get the desired performance from the E145. The filter in the 4699B certainly isn't a 3145 or 3155 filter. Compared with their home hi-fi counterparts, the E110 and E155 don't exhibit the same flat, "peak-free" response and wide bandwidth that say an LE10 or 2245H do. For home use I'd take a 2245H over an E155 any day. Yeah, you have to drive it harder but it is still more than capable of destroying your hearing. JBL isn't stupid, they make all kinds of transducers and each one was designed to achieve a specific goal. I'm pretty sure I know what the 4699B was intended for and I can't imagine JBL ever thought someone would plop a pair into their living room and call it a day

Anyway, whatever. Try them out and see what you think about them It could be fun!

[4313B]

"For higher volumes would the 4699bs have good clarity"

Yeah, they're very clear. Loud and clear.

[mikebake]

BTW, I couldn't agree MORE with your statement about speakers designed FOR a specific room. Over and over, that truth gets hammered home to me.......
ANYway......

"For home use I'd take a 2245H over an E155 any day. Yeah, you have to drive it harder but it is still more than capable of destroying your hearing."

Yes, I agree. My pair are idling in the workshop right now. Pity. I haven't really been able to fully enjoy them yet.

" JBL isn't stupid, they make all kinds of transducers and each one was designed to achieve a specific goal. I'm pretty sure I know what the 4699B was intended for and I can't imagine JBL ever thought someone would plop a pair into their living room and call it a day"

I'm sure it crossed their mind! It may well be/have been a better solution that some OTHER high eff. products of the day which WERE used in the home....anyway, I understand the whole distinction about the E series and all that, but I have listened to E series 15's in home setups; it was good. And I have listened at my home to a 2425 on a 2370A and found it quite nice. Not loud. Just nice.
My problem is that I not only prefer the sound of big speakers, but there is that damn nuisance of needing a BIG room.
To divert for a moment;
actually, I won't divert, I'll start another thread and see what guys say..................
back to the present; I am a voice in the wilderness on most forums in my fondness for listening to systems of all types and sizes OUTSIDE, where room/boundary problems are nil. Sometimes with a back wall for 1/4 space reinforcement, but no sidewall/ceiling/floor crap going on. LOVE it. Crank it!!!

[Robh3606]

Hello Giskard

About the Everest Crossover

"Look at the Everest and what had to be done with that filter to get the desired performance from the E145."

I see a Zobel and a 12 DB network and a series network for tailoring the bass that is normally defeated. The 39 ohm resistor?? What is odd about it besides the series filter??? What am I missing??

Thanks Rob

[speakerdave]

Warpig--

I've gone back and reread your posts here, and it sounds to me like you'd really like to try those big old speakers, and so you probably should. If the money is right you can probably recover most of it if you decide to pass them on. It sounds to me as if you are as much interested in the learning as you are in getting the good result.


Mikebake--

What's wrong with slippery slopes, anyway? I've been on some I wouldn't mind revisiting!

But you're right: It's a statement I could punch a few holes in myself. Sometimes the big speakers do sound better low than small ones, but I believe these would be hifi speakers. But still--I think the truth in my statement is that, like my old 604 8Gs, a large speaker can sound fine low, but come into its glory only when it's doing what it was really designed to do.

David

[4313B]

Originally posted by Robh3606
Hello Giskard

About the Everest Crossover

I see a Zobel and a 12 DB network and a series network for tailoring the bass that is normally defeated. The 39 ohm resistor?? What is odd about it besides the series filter??? What am I missing??

Thanks Rob

The Everest actually has a 2nd order filter on the E145 along with conjugate elements and a switchable notch filter.
The E155 in the 4699B is allowed to run full out if I'm not mistaken.


I'm with speakerdave and mikebake.
Buy 'em and try 'em.
eBay 'em if you don't like 'em
Otherwise you'll always wonder

[Robh3606]

"Good grief. That's the point. The Everest actually has a 2nd order filter on the E145 along with conjugate elements and a switchable notch filter. What does the 4699B use?"

NOTHING!!!

Got the point all depend's on intended use and application.

Thanks Rob

[JBL Dog]

warpig:

If you enjoy your music loud, by all means get the 4699B's. You won't be disappointed in how "loud" they can get!

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[warpig]

Thanks All
I think I will give them a try if they are still available, which I am pretty sure they are. It will require a 1000 mile round trip though. I would rather pick them up then freight them. It might be up to 2 weeks before I get them.

If they do not work out I will try to ebay them. If I can not get a fair price for them they will go to my favorite watering hole That way far more people will enjoy that JBL sound.

Peace to all and Thanks

[JBL Dog]

warpig:

If you to that much of an effort to get the 4699B's, you might as well keep them. You will be the "go-to" guy for sound at your next block party!

BTW, the 4699B does not rate very high on the WAF chart, if at all!



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[warpig]

JBL Dog
What is WAF.

[speakerdave]

I'll answer for the J'Dog, since he doesn't seem to be attending right now. You know what it is--you just haven't heard it called this yet. It's Wife Acceptance Factor. Small veneered enclosures with doilies on them have high WAF. Huge unpainted plywood boxes with knife strokes plain in the putty at the corners have low WAF.

David

[warpig]

Ok

Well I currently do not have an issue with the WAF because the W is missing. All though if it were up to some of my friends I would.

Maybe some day

[speakerdave]

Originally posted by warpig
Ok

Well I currently do not have an issue with the WAF because the W is missing. All though if it were up to some of my friends I would.

Maybe some day

oh . . . . . Say, Warpig--Can we bring our stuff over to your house?