I have never seen L40s with innie caps, even the brochure shows them pointing out.
Anyway, you will probably never be able to get those center caps on your mids to pop out, I have tried more than once. They are made of soft aluminum, painted black. Once somebody touches it it gets an annoying little dimple. Then someone gets the bright idea to push it all in, thinking that it will look better. It doesn't. I think that you can buy new caps though.
Don C,
If they sound fine should I just leave 'em ? I just passed on a pair - ePay. Nothing I want to do any time soon. I couldn't help but crank the Sansui 8080 to 12 o'clock high and I heard nothing but my ears crackle ! I needed to do some vacuuming (Styro. City here) but put it off 'cause I wanted to listen. Finally said enough is enough, powered up the vacuum - couldn't even tell it was running ! Now I'll never have an excuse not to vacuum again...
Are these essentially the same speaker?
What are the differences?
I can't prove that the pushed in domes have audible effects. But if they were mine, I'd have to fix them. I couldn't stand to look at them that way.Originally Posted by ironman
Well, they are both three-ways.
Other then that, they are quite different.
The L112 ts is posted above. Here's the L166 ts...
bo
"Indeed, not!!"
Not so fast,Well, they are both three-ways.
Other then that, they are quite different.
The L112 ts is posted above. Here's the L166 ts...
I am trying to gain some insight here!
I see that the L112 has a 12dB/octave midrange bandpass network vs. a 6dB on the L166. Other than that, the topologies are virtually identical as are the drivers. The L166 looks like a tweaked version of the L112 or, basically the same speaker. Is it not that?
Er, you'd have to define "tweaked".
Some might think tweaking was merely changing the crossover slope(s) while not changing the drivers. Changing networks and drivers suggests JBL were pursuing something.
Dunno about that. I'd have to run some models on the two LF's to compare things, first. Of the two, I've got a preference for the 128H. But that's just me...
Are you asking what JBL might have been thinking? No clue about their consumer gear - too many of those iterations, and many were driven by (perceptions) of consumer preference (or competitor offerings). Maybe somebody else out here?
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Afterthought:
Hell, they had it perfect with the L100 - why even bother after that!
bo
"Indeed, not!!"
You actually did the end run on me with that comment! I am just trying to figure out their motivations with so many iterations of the same thing over the years.
Hell, they had it perfect with the L100 - why even bother after that!
To the more knowledgeable users, did they really make a substantial sonic improvement over the prior 3-ways with each new version?
To everybody BUT bo...
bo
"Indeed, not!!"
The 12" 3way bookshelf designs went in this order: L100, L166, L112 and finally the 120Ti. There are audible improvements with each model with the 120Ti being significantly more neutral than its predecessors. Beyond that it is a matter of opinion. Each model seems to have its own following and there is no best or worst.
Mike
I believe the L166 has a 122A woofer, the L112 has a 128H woofer, LE5-9 mid, and 044 tweeter. The L112 is a more accurate speaker system....more refined, complicated crossover network...the Consumer version of the 4411 Studio monitor....shares all the same components.
I'm going by memory, so any corrections are welcome
Edgewound...JBL Pro Authorized...since 1988
Upland Loudspeaker Service, Upland, CA
The first bit is correct, but the 4411 was quite different. It used the 2213 woof (pleated fabric compliance), LE25 tweet, and of course the splendiferous LE5-2 with it's uniquely (er, factory...) inverted dome.
But, this ain't about me...
bo
"Indeed, not!!"
Sorry to point out your error Bo...but that was the 4311, which is basically an L100.....4411 used the 128H et.alThe first bit is correct, but the 4411 was quite different. It used the 2213 woof (pleated fabric compliance), LE25 tweet, and of course the splendiferous LE5-2 with it's uniquely (er, factory...) inverted dome.
But, this ain't about me...
But, this ain't about you...
Edgewound...JBL Pro Authorized...since 1988
Upland Loudspeaker Service, Upland, CA
Y'all got me wondering if 4411 was actually a "Studio" or "Control" monitor, meaningful designations with respect to voicing with JBL.
Indeed, it's a Studio Monitor, and, in addition to the different woofer, it took considerable "doing" in the crossover to make it play neutral:
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/4411.pdf
http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Stu...ies/4411LR.pdf
Doh!! That's what I get for multi-tasking! Shoulda stayed in the attic.Sorry to point out your error Bo...but that was the 4311, which is basically an L100.....4411 used the 128H et.al
But, this ain't about you...
Hilarious, actually edgewound. I wondered why you would have posted that (what I saw as 4311). I guessed you knew better, but...
Never mind...
bo
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