Guys, I cannot find specs for the JBL 2416 anywhere online or on JBL's site, I am ready to purchase either the 2402 or the 2342 and I am more leaning towards the 2342 as it seems to me to be a similar but bigger version of the 2404.
I am seeing the 2342 flare for sale with a 2416 driver so just checking here first if that driver would be the best option for using that 2342 horn as a standalone horn please? Thx.
The 2416 uses the same phase plug as the 2425. You could "upgrade" to 2425S or use 2426's with the horn adaptor plate removed. Just look at the response for a 4425 as an example of what the combo can do.
Rob
"I could be arguing in my spare time"
Thanks Rob, one last question please. If it were YOU, which would you prefer to get between the 2404 or the 2342?Originally Posted by Robh3606
The 2416 uses the same phase plug as the 2425. You could "upgrade" to 2425S or use 2426's with the horn adaptor plate removed. Just look at the response for a 4425 as an example of what the combo can do.
Rob
??? What are you plans for use?? The 2404 is a tweeter the 2416 does midrange as well and can be attached to a variety of horns.
Rob
"I could be arguing in my spare time"
I wanted to get better highs in a 3 or 4way mono system so will connect either a super tweeter or horn for highs only to an amp. My thought is that the 2342 is simply a larger version of the 2404 so that would be my only reason for getting that instead of the 2404.??? What are you plans for use?? The 2404 is a tweeter the 2416 does midrange as well and can be attached to a variety of horns.
Rob
They have different motors with different expected applications. The horn geometry creates the coverage pattern but the drivers define what frequency band they will work best in. Some one inch compression drivers can work at super tweeter frequencies if you want to restrict their high pass frequency but then you have to work on what sort of driver will meet you needs in the band below that. Decide what you want to do with the device and work back from there.
Use a 2404 good out to 20K the 2416 on a 2342 out to 16K.I wanted to get better highs in a 3 or 4way mono system so will connect either a super tweeter or horn for highs only to an amp. My thought is that the 2342 is simply a larger version of the 2404 so that would be my only reason for getting that instead of the 2404.
Rob
"I could be arguing in my spare time"
I have the receiver running through the DBX Eq, what I will do is run it through the BSS Processor too to see if that makes a difference but I will need to wait until my Sound guy who had setup the BSS can drop by to do it, get back to you whenever he does, thanks..
Ah, that's different - you do have a crossover.
Do you have the 22A or 22T compression driver on your horns? Do you have the passive crossovers that Peavy used for these systems?
I found the spec sheet for the mark three system but wonder what all you have.
Barry.
If we knew what the hell we were doing, we wouldn't call it research would we.
Correct again. When I got the horns the internal crossovers was damage so I had to run them directly to a receiver. Also, since I already had the d220ti's sitting on a shelf I decided to use them thinking it would be better and more updated anyway than the original driver.
It's only now I am realizing that I am using a driver which was not intended for those horns. I could purchase a pair of the 22A but since I now know that even those will not give me the highs of the ST304 or any super tweeter then would not make sense.
You need a crossover, those little compression drivers and tweeters are not meant to be ran full range. The reason (part of it) that you aren't getting crisp highs is because your compression driver is being fed low frequency material it was never designed to play. Swapping drivers without a crossover isn't going to get you where you want to go.
Thanks guys but I think I will first need to learn about frequency response since I don't have all that knowledge so I can try learning that on another forum then come back here if any questions so I won't frustrate you guys.
@Riley
Well Riley you can see I took your advice on the other forum and did exactly as you had advised by posting here for this purpose [thanks!]
Sorry Mike, I can't help you on the SOS forum, I'm not signed up there. Your questions seemed pretty well answered on the PSW forum and it's pretty clear that you need to drop back a few yards and bone up on the basics. The short version is it's time to hit the Google for some edjamacation on hearing and audio technology. What you're asking on SOS is a bit beyond web forum answers. Shorter version is that it's the rare adult male in the western world that can hear anything higher than 15Khz. If you've spent any significant time listening to loud music, firearms, race cars or heavy machinery that number may be closer to 10Khz. You can actually do your own low budget tests on all of this by simply downloading a phone app that includes a sine wave generator ( Audio Tools from Studio Six Digital is very good ) and simply hook it up to your stereo and sweep some tones around at low levels to start to get a feel for what your ears can do with what your speakers can do at what frequencies. Just be slow and deliberate about this sort of thing. I'm not responsible for any damaged speakers.
30” X 16” That looks like a big nice horn. 64 questions:
Are you using them at home?
What BSS unit do you have?
What speaker compliment is under these horns? Like 15’s and subs or?
How tall is the vertical gap at it’s smallest point in the horn? I can’t find a picture that shows well enough to gage by. Looking at the polar response measurement Peavy shows and the pictures I can find I can’t guess.
As you have likely figured out, JBL made three different super tweeters with their ring radiator motor, the 075 / 2402 bullets have a 40 degree conical dispersion, they are spot lights for sound and in sound reinforcement they are used in arrays to horizontally spread the sound.
The 077 / 2405 has a different phase plug and diffraction wings added to make its dispersion pattern 40 degrees vertical and about 120-140 degrees horizontal. This most closely matches your horns dispersion patter and IMO would be great used singularly in a home environment with a horn like yours.
The 2404 has a 100 X 100 degree dispersion pattern. In some environments this can be good but in a home listening environment it will put sound energy on the ceiling and floor and may or may not be how you like to hear.
I forget the part number but Peavy made a near copy of the JBL 2404, if you want to keep it all in the Peavy family.
Barry.
If we knew what the hell we were doing, we wouldn't call it research would we.
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