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  1. #31
    MatthiasA
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    I understand you too
    but i think the low driver in the S3100 needs more room
    therefore the holes in the midplate !
    and the ME120HS in the S2600 is seperately

    because look at the drawings
    the damping material ends with the plate (S2600)

    iam not shure becaus ive no orginal S2600

    you are right with the Driver !
    behind the Horn there is a ferrit plate
    which fixating the 2426H at the cabinet and the horn adapter !
    i think you must get behind the driver.... to screw it out
    but there is no space ??? hmmmmm

    i dont know ?
    therefore i need my plate behind the cabinet ....
    to screw it out ...

  2. #32
    MatthiasA
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    now iam looking on the specsheet !
    i think you can't take out the horn !
    you can turn out the 12 screws which fixates the horn
    but there are three BOLTs
    to the driver trough the barketplate (the red thing) ??
    and the barketplate is solid on the midplate in the cabinet (with two screws)
    ????
    you are right Bernhard ! you cant take the bold out !!!
    hmmmm
    isn't the Midplate in the 2600 solid ??





    greetings

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    Well... looking at those pictures now it looks like the driver attaches to the plate. If you look at the 3100 and the 2600 you can see the bolt holes on the plate. Now that makes sense as how else would you get the driver out of the 2600 ? So... if thats true then it does allow for a solid plate on the 2600 and you are back to where you started from ! You still need to find the dimension for the bass box in order to fix the plate in the right place..... unless that is I talk myself into taking out my bass driver and finding out where the plate is in relation to the bottom of the horn.. that would be the same distance on both probably, no ?

    Bernard

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    Looks to me like horn is bolted through the bracket to the driver.

    If it were ME doing it, the foot of the bracket would have PEM nuts in it so as to permit attachment with screws from below the the dividing panel or "plate."

    That's not what's shown, though. The screws are shown coming down from the top, i.e., from the bracket side.

    If the panel is solid, I don't understand it. Gotta be access from somewhere....

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    Hi Ziilch - you got that right and thanks for the right terminology - PEM nut. There would be nothing to stop Matthias from welding a nut to that bracket and then bolting from below though would there ? Problem solved !

    The only question left then is the correct position for that 'plate'. I don't know if the plate in the 3100 is in the the same position relative to the bottom of the horn though - and thus not a reliable measurment - as the bracket looks to be adjusable and thus may be positioned differently for the two speakers. HHmm.. what think you ?

    Bernard

  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasA
    in the back of the cabinet
    there is a hole behind the the horn!
    about 18 x 25 cm - i think its more than i need
    to change the horndriver 2426H !!!
    in this hole it is a ferrit brass in german "messing" plate
    which close the hole !
    with about 8 or 10 screws !
    the plate is also painted !

    greetings
    Hello,
    i am not an expert for that cabinet, but i think you can unscrew the horn from the front and through the hole from the rear, right?
    18 x 25cm (ca 7" x 9,8") should be enough to screw off the driver and than the horn, i think.
    Best regards
    Wolf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Hello,
    i am not an expert for that cabinet, but i think you can unscrew the horn from the front and through the hole from the rear, right?

    Best regards
    Wolf
    Hi Wolf - so you are saying that there is a hole in the back of the 2600 cabinet ? There is not on the 3200, so this would explain the solid baffle/plate in the 2600 then. Do you have a 2600 ?

    Bernard

  8. #38
    MatthiasA
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    STOP

    in my SELFMADE !!! S2600 i will do a plate like 25x18cm
    i think there is NO !!! plate in the orginal S2600 !!! or S3100

    sorry i dont understand you !

    what the hell is a PEM nut ?????
    can you explain how does it works ??????
    how can you get out the horn ????
    with a solid plate ?
    isn t it solid ?
    sorry...

    greetings

  9. #39
    MatthiasA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard Wolf

    unless that is I talk myself into taking out my bass driver and finding out where the plate is in relation to the bottom of the horn.. that would be the same distance on both probably, no ?

    Bernard

    oh cool can you do it for me ?
    the lengt in the Horn section will be the same lengt in S2600 and S3200 i think !!
    because the Horn is the same !!!!

    please let me know the lengt !
    and the strengt of the plate (barkets) (25mm) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasA
    STOP

    in my SELFMADE !!! S2600 i will do a plate like 25x18cm
    i think there is NO !!! plate in the orginal S2600 !!! or S3100

    sorry i dont understand you !

    what the hell is a PEM nut ?????
    can you explain how does it works ??????
    how can you get out the horn ????
    with a solid plate ?
    isn t it solid ?
    sorry...

    greetings
    This is starting to get confusing, no ? The 'plate' I am taliking about is the divider between the Horn/Bass compartments, and YES, there is one there as you can see in the drawings. The bracket that helps to hold the weight of the driver is bolted to this 'plate'. A PEM nut is a nut that is permanently affixed to the bottom of a 90 degree angle for the bolt to go through. In your case this could be from the bottom of the closed 'plate'. In other words from the bass compartment.

    Why do you now think that there is no 'plate'? And what would your 25x18 cm plate do? It would not seal the cabinet.

    Bernard

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasA
    oh cool can you do it for me ?
    the lengt in the Horn section will be the same lengt in S2600 and S3200 i think !!
    because the Horn is the same !!!!

    please let me know the lengt !
    and the strengt of the plate (barkets) (25mm) ?
    I may do it but not to-day! Why do you want the length - it is the same horn in both the 3100 and 2600. What you would want is the distance from the bottom of the front of the horn to the 'plate', no?

    As for the bracket, can you not get this from JBL?

    Bernard

  12. #42
    MatthiasA
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    ive told you about my metal plate behind the cabinet
    the plate is to change the driver ! because my horn is fixed at the cabinet ! no screws !


    then i need this metal plate !

    Bernhard:
    I am taliking about is the divider between the Horn/Bass compartments, and YES, there is one there as you can see in the drawings.

    ok in the S2600 it is one plate ! ok ! with no holes in it ?

    can you say me the distance from your S3200 from
    this divider between the Horn/Bass compartments
    to the ceiling ?

    becaus this lenght is the same in S2600 / S3200

  13. #43
    MatthiasA
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    this lengt ( red line ) i need
    i think it is the same (s2600/3100)


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    I will try to get you this measurment by the week-end. But how will you put the plate in? Does the top of your cabinet come off?

    Bernard

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasA
    this lengt ( red line ) i need
    i think it is the same (s2600/3100)

    BTW - that is height, not length.

    Bernard

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