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    Help

    Came to this Forum with a lot of expectations.
    As an Old, retired, Electronic tech, New to JBL's
    I came here for help and knowledge.
    Hundreds of "views", Really very little technical help.
    Other than the DUH responses. Either anyone knowing about
    the tech side of speakers(Xovers, Cabinet acoustics, Etc),
    is keeping it to themselves, Or I asked the wrong questions,
    In the wrong Forum. So I'll move on.
    I Don't want to upset, or trigger,
    But I have. And I have Apologized

    Any feedback or thoughts on subject will be received
    and viewed as positive flow of information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigboat View Post
    Came to this Forum with a lot of expectations.
    As an Old, retired, Electronic tech, New to JBL's
    I came here for help and knowledge.
    Hundreds of "views", Really very little technical help.
    Other than the DUH responses. Either anyone knowing about
    the tech side of speakers(Xovers, Cabinet acoustics, Etc),
    is keeping it to themselves, Or I asked the wrong questions,
    In the wrong Forum. So I'll move on.
    I Don't want to upset, or trigger,
    But I have. And I have Apologized

    Any feedback or thoughts on subject will be received
    and viewed as positive flow of information.
    Gee.
    71 posts in about a year and you haven't found Nirvana yet?

    Are you an impatient youngster . . . or an impatient old fart?

    I've benefitted from significant technical assistance here over many years. I'm sure I'll need more in the near future, and I'll patiently await the expert contributions. Sure, a few have departed, and some don't drop by all that frequently these days, but that's normal. Sometimes Life gets in the way.

    Hang out. Even if you don't get the help and knowledge you want, you might be able to impart some. And that should be fulfilling, if you're human!

    ". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."óGreg Timbers

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    Whatíd I miss?

    I have seen a bunch of chatter about what you did back in the day, which I find very interesting by the way, but I didnít notice what you didnít get answered.

    I am no expert here but will paw through your posts over the next day or so and see if I can help.

    This is a small forum. Some of the other audio forums have more members on line at anytime that we have members in total so take that into account.

    I personally hope you stick around a while.

    Barry.
    If we knew what the hell we were doing, we wouldn't call it research would we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1audiohack View Post
    Whatíd I miss?

    I have seen a bunch of chatter about what you did back in the day, which I find very interesting by the way, but I didnít notice what you didnít get answered.

    Barry.
    L36/L15/4406/4311's

    Barry
    Thanks

    This was from L36,
    1 Notice glue was around pots only on xovers just, pry around that area to release?
    2 changing out with 035ti's?
    3 changes to damping?
    4 F ing with port?
    5 xover? Rebuilding? Removing pots from system? Active?
    6 connectors?

    This JBL L15 Refurbish Hi Happy 4th Came across this thread
    Any thoughts ?

    Help with L15 Refurbish
    1) Cabinets, dampening, leave it, add to it, remove/replace it ????

    2) 034 Tweeter has lost it's silver paint/aluminum? covering, works, replace, repaint ??

    3) Crossover, Cap replacement suggestions
    Change inductors to air ?
    Change resistors ?
    Build external "charged xover" ?
    Change xover frequency to 3K(read somewhere?)
    4) Change connectors
    And anything that will help with project.
    Not worried about keeping original.
    Just having FUN.
    Pair of 4406's after these.


    Was looking for basically the same thoughts, more or lees,
    on L36,L15, 4406 and 4311.

    CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP
    Knowing it was possible for new guy to wander in the wrong forum Thread,
    I figured I would get guidance.

    Most disappointing,"among others", was feedback,
    or lack of,on Xovers. Sound I Know,but it seems Nobody is into
    Xovers except sending them out to get upgraded. Or these Models
    are not the pick of the litter(Con)?

    Maybe just to tech for folks here.(Now that's Condescending)
    Being I'm an impatient old Fart, looking for knowledge,
    that you would think would be readily found here. But I should have been patient.

    "Whirly Bird"(even spelled wrong ) is what you missed. It was found to be "condescending"
    The "Chatter" which I was enjoying, was for those who haven't been around like Wolf and I.
    But in such a politically correct world, words are misconstrued, and have way to many
    meanings, to different people. To say inter service hazing is condescending, was my trigger,
    as I didn't see it coming. I offended, and apologized. I was offended by "condescending".
    So end of Bantering. And this is what we see happening in this country.
    Whirly Bird is Condescending. LMFAO A Grown,(probably War Hero) man calling,
    Whirly Bird, Condescending. As a Submariner, I heard a lot of words for Subs,
    Semen Tank, YMCA, Dildo Etc.(And worse)and laughed everyone of them off, actually felt proud.
    WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, He/She/Them/Us/Man/Girl/Boy/Women/White/Black.
    Getting wound up, so will stop. But you get the jest.




    BMWCCA

    GEE Golly
    "As an ""Old"", retired, Electronic tech, New to JBL's" Quote

    Since you have such "Tech Knowledge" From "Over the Years"
    Never touched a Xover, nothing about up dating dampening, active Xover
    etc ???
    Don't want to share ??
    To Old to wait(have patience).So thanks for the "Advice" Sonny.
    (Sort of kind of, Condescending)

    And to all a good night. I lose no sleep over this, and my panties are not in a wad.
    And like I said "A dumb ass old fart in the Wrong Forum"

    Take Her/It/Him/Boat/Ship/Us/Them/She/He/SheHe DOWN
    Aaooga/Aaooga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigboat View Post

    To Old to wait(have patience).So thanks for the "Advice" Sonny.
    (Sort of kind of, Condescending)
    Maybe things have changed. I came here over ten-years ago back when I was just 53. I guess I had enough patience to eventually get to the point of receiving more advice and help (and critiques) than I even asked for! All good though. Now I'm 66 and, when I get some time, will need some help in refurbishing the 4345s I picked up over ten-years ago. I'm sure I'll get good help here.

    I think most of us here are old-farts!
    ". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."óGreg Timbers

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    I hope you stick around, and don't have a thin skin.
    there is a lot of help around here, and a lot of opinions. I have found that there are 3 things you do not do say to another man. 1. your dog is stupid, 2 your wife is ugly, and 3 your speakers suck.
    If you want to start a kerfuffle, just say to an audiophoole, after he has spent an obscene amount of money on his fearless fosdick speaker cables with polarized hammered unobtainium inserts, (btw never call them wires) were a waste of money.

    Speaker systems seem to be 1 part science, 1 part opinion, and 1 part alchemy. So just relax and have fun. BTW I was an ET striker on the Pomodon before I was sh*tcanned in 1967 on a medical. Now there was a REAL pigboat.

    Peace, (Shalom) Tranquility and Outrageous Sex. Which at my age is any.

    Keep on listening

    Ed
    KEEP ON LISTENING!

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    I've benefitted from significant technical assistance here over many years.

    Quote Originally Posted by BMWCCA View Post
    Maybe things have changed. I came here over ten-years ago back when I was just 53. I guess I had enough patience to eventually get to the point of receiving more advice and help (and critiques) than I even asked for! All good though. Now I'm 66 and, when I get some time, will need some help in refurbishing the 4345s I picked up over ten-years ago. I'm sure I'll get good help here.

    I think most of us here are old-farts!
    "I've benefited from significant technical assistance here over many years" Quote

    and I Said:

    ""Since you have such "Tech Knowledge" From "Over the Years"
    Never touched a Xover, nothing about up dating dampening, active Xover
    etc ???
    Don't want to share ??""

    But I guess your "Significant Technical Assistance" had nothing to do with Cabinet construction and bracing, dampening, Xovers active or passive, connectors, ports, you know, those speaker things.

    Hope you live another ten years, being patient, to get feedback on your garage 4345's
    If they freely give up info like you, it could be another 10 years.
    I have a pair of Paragons in the attic I can't Wait to get down after all these years.
    (Now that's Sarcasm)

    And even now, only analytical BS.

    And with 6 Daughters, I have All the patience in the world.

    So ANYTHING Technical to ADD ???

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    Pomodon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Kreamer View Post
    I hope you stick around, and don't have a thin skin.
    there is a lot of help around here, and a lot of opinions. I have found that there are 3 things you do not do say to another man. 1. your dog is stupid, 2 your wife is ugly, and 3 your speakers suck.
    If you want to start a kerfuffle, just say to an audiophoole, after he has spent an obscene amount of money on his fearless fosdick speaker cables with polarized hammered unobtainium inserts, (btw never call them wires) were a waste of money.

    Speaker systems seem to be 1 part science, 1 part opinion, and 1 part alchemy. So just relax and have fun. BTW I was an ET striker on the Pomodon before I was sh*tcanned in 1967 on a medical. Now there was a REAL pigboat.

    Peace, (Shalom) Tranquility and Outrageous Sex. Which at my age is any.

    Keep on listening

    Ed
    1 She is and so am I
    2 She is(But not in my eyes) and so am I in the mirror.
    3 She does thank goodness and so am I
    Time to go get "Outrageous"

    6 Daughters, 15 1/2 Grand Kids all down here with me in Tampa Area.
    Can hit them with a rock, Lots of Patience, Skin is Portagee So thick,
    Like head.

    Pomodon Thought I SMELLED a Diesel Boat Sailor. To bad ET's
    had some good leading edge electronic training.

    Not going anywhere. I mean after stirring up all this shit, I might as well take a beating.

    And you never know. Maybe ?? there are some Xover Guys, out there in Forum Land,
    who have changed cap values to change Xover Freq, and it's resultant effect.
    Like from 2500 to 3K on some JBL two ways.

    S/D/R&R
    And Peace
    Not only from War,
    But of Mind.

    Pigboat

    PS Don't I know you from somewhere ????
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    Me???? Smell like diesel oil???? It was fun hearing all four of those Fairbanks Morse light off on the surface and start pulling in fresh air.

    After a patrol we"d hit the showers for as long as it took, and could practically see the stuff running off us.

    Atlantic or Pacific?

    S/Wine/ Classical Music
    KEEP ON LISTENING!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigboat View Post
    "I've benefited from significant technical assistance here over many years" Quote

    and I Said:

    ""Since you have such "Tech Knowledge" From "Over the Years"
    Never touched a Xover, nothing about up dating dampening, active Xover
    etc ???
    Don't want to share ??""

    But I guess your "Significant Technical Assistance" had nothing to do with Cabinet construction and bracing, dampening, Xovers active or passive, connectors, ports, you know, those speaker things.

    Hope you live another ten years, being patient, to get feedback on your garage 4345's
    If they freely give up info like you, it could be another 10 years.
    I have a pair of Paragons in the attic I can't Wait to get down after all these years.
    (Now that's Sarcasm)

    And even now, only analytical BS.

    And with 6 Daughters, I have All the patience in the world.

    So ANYTHING Technical to ADD ???
    Mine aren't garage speakers, they've been in my living room since I got them almost 11-years ago. And I did get plenty of help with some custom crossovers that were diagnosed from pictures as having some wires in the wrong places. And the schematic followed for the crossover build came from this site.

    I have three daughters. And I thought I was a combative curmudgeon, until . . .

    Fine. Leave. Goodbye!
    ". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."óGreg Timbers

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    Smell

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Kreamer View Post
    Me???? Smell like diesel oil???? It was fun hearing all four of those Fairbanks Morse light off on the surface and start pulling in fresh air.

    After a patrol we"d hit the showers for as long as it took, and could practically see the stuff running off us.

    Atlantic or Pacific?

    S/Wine/ Classical Music
    Atlantic
    New London
    Holy Loch
    Rota
    Up around the Ice or Sunny Med
    I know but even all your clothes reeked

    Excuse me But BMWCCA Has an issue with Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWCCA View Post
    Mine aren't garage speakers, they've been in my living room since I got them almost 11-years ago. And I did get plenty of help with some custom crossovers that were diagnosed from pictures as having some wires in the wrong places. And the schematic followed for the crossover build came from this site.

    I have three daughters. And I thought I was a combative curmudgeon, until . . .

    Fine. Leave. Goodbye!
    curmudgeon LMFAO Had to look it up. Potty Mouth Gee Golly
    What a liberal would call an old Conservative
    Been called a GadFly. Proud of that.

    Not surprised you had your wires crossed. I'm glad you got that "Technical" Problem fixed.
    Thanks for helping with mine. Oh that's right you didn't.
    Just came back to Stir the pot more.
    My take
    BMW OOOh
    4345''''s AAAAh
    CCA ????
    Are you inviting me to Leave?


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    Score help Update

    11/155 views
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    1audiohack

    Pomodon

    BMWCCA

    1 was concerned and, proactive and supportive. Thank You
    1 I think is Laughing HAO. Thank You
    1 Is Condescending, Arrogant, Unproductive, Patronizing, Etc. Etc.
    Who brought Nothing to the table. And Thank You
    140+ Just Looking


    But as I had it explained to me, Just Be Patient. Lots of that.
    RWBW

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    Perhaps there are others like me who have nothing constructive to offer? I have had zero experience with the the L36 and in general have had little experience with JBL’s that didn’t or don’t use compression drivers up top.


    I hope you get the advice you need to get them running satisfactorily.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Kreamer View Post
    I have found that there are 3 things you do not do say to another man. 1. your dog is stupid, 2 your wife is ugly, and 3 your speakers suck.
    Fortunately science is moving forward: these days you can already clone better versions of two items in that list

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