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    I agree with Ian and suggest looking at newer designs if a reference monitor is the top consideration. The 25-40 year old monitors are tired at this point with no ability to replace diaphragms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlcnm View Post
    Steve. You forgot the LSR32's. Now the LSR6332. I think it is still in production. If you want detail, accuracy, and a load of dynamic range these have it in spades. In the past I have seen the old version, the LSR32 for under a thou. Of course all JBLs have been increasing in value over the last two years. Some by a major amount. I'm going to call it: the LSR32 with its carbon fiber fronts are Vintage!
    Better than most of the vintage, I would say, and, for the present, free of collector fever pricing. In the vintage lines the 066 tweeter is possibly better; it does not appear in a monitor other than the 4313, which has a special reputation, I will note, though sadly for the present instance has only ten inches of woofer. I really like the 066 in the L212 but have not made a systematic comparison. Maybe some of the 044 series would be preferred; haven't heard them, so I don't know. The LSR tweeter could be seen as a dusted 035 and better than any naked titanium, for my money. The 505 midrange is two or three notches above anything in the LE5 series or 104 series, and if you have interest in the effects of a long midrange, having it play from 250 to 2250 Hz should be a reason for looking into this speaker. The neodymium woofer in the LSR has some of the complex voice coil, gap and cone engineering that appears in the 1400nd, 150xAL and later woofers. JBL traditionalists just need to get over the 2" voice coils in a 12" woofer (there are two of them plus a braking coil) just as they are getting over the 3" coil in the 2216nd series 15" woofers.

    The speaker plays within a dB from 60Hz to 20kHz.

    Of course, for the OP, collector fever pricing may be a sine qua non.
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    Wow , they have stellar specs. The midrange unit seems to be a hottie

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post

    Phil; Lindsay is an experienced, helpful , longtime member here ....why do you
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    Quote Originally Posted by speakerdave View Post
    Better than most of the vintage, I would say, and, for the present, free of collector fever pricing. In the vintage lines the 066 tweeter is possibly better; it does not appear in a monitor other than the 4313, which has a special reputation, I will note, though sadly for the present instance has only ten inches of woofer. I really like the 066 in the L212 but have not made a systematic comparison.
    Dave - I share your appreciation for the 066 and that was one reason that the L166 was recommended. It is a fine 3 way - 12 inch bookshelf.
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    Hi, Steve

    We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

    Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated
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    missing one...

    No discussion of 12" 3-ways is complete without the 120Ti. Probably the best drivers of the older stuff, and a very nice looking cabinet to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jblnut View Post
    No discussion of 12" 3-ways is complete without the 120Ti. Probably the best drivers of the older stuff, and a very nice looking cabinet to boot.

    jblnut
    +1 . Mine are playing right now as I type. I'm not up on the new/whizbang stuff, but can't imagine anyone not being happy with 120's. (and YES..the teak cabs are quite nice) . I seem to like the 044Ti's sound.

    IMHO, they are #2 in vintage 3 way/12 JBL's only to the unobtainium Century Golds
    ($5K/pr msrp )
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin_wu99 View Post
    Hi, Steve

    We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

    Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated
    We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

    Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated[/QUOTE]

    Hello Martin,

    I hope that you are happy and well.

    To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.

    4311 3 way 12"
    4311B 3 way 12"
    4312A 3 way 12"
    4315 /B 4 way 12" Out of my price range
    4411 3 way 12"
    4412 3 way 12"
    4412AL-1
    4412AR-1
    4425 2 way 12"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJewels View Post
    We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

    Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated
    Hello Martin,

    I hope that you are happy and well.

    To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.

    4311 3 way 12"
    4311B 3 way 12"
    4312A 3 way 12"
    4315 /B 4 way 12" Out of my price range
    4411 3 way 12"
    4412 3 way 12"
    4412AL-1
    4412AR-1
    4425 2 way 12"
    [/QUOTE]
    You mean 12'' 43 series and 44 series?among all these monitors,4425 is the best,but it is 2 ways(4428,4429 are more better),second is 4412A, i prefer JBL black woofers than the white,because black woofers give more bass and go deeper.others are too old and are not in their conditions.
    one word,you like horn:4425,you like cone:4412A
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty jefferson View Post
    I agree with Ian and suggest looking at newer designs if a reference monitor is the top consideration. The 25-40 year old monitors are tired at this point with no ability to replace diaphragms.
    I think you are the minority of late ......Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJewels View Post
    We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

    Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated
    Hello Martin,

    I hope that you are happy and well.

    To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.

    4311 3 way 12"
    4311B 3 way 12"
    4312A 3 way 12"
    4315 /B 4 way 12" Out of my price range
    4411 3 way 12"
    4412 3 way 12"
    4412AL-1
    4412AR-1
    4425 2 way 12"
    [/QUOTE]

    Plus:the most important thing is that it must be YOU who like it,not anybody else,so just find them and audition one by one
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    Noting that the OP specified "studio monitors" , tho many he listed probably don't fit that
    description.

    Also the 4410 has been mentioned a couple of times. I HAD a pair and enjoyed them, BUT
    they were an analytical monitor and NOT very musical.
    The 4412 did not suffer that fate tho.

    The 4312 (original) that I had was a big "nothingburger". It wasn't a real monitor nor was
    it musical. It didn't last long around here. 4310 & 4311's were just commercial L100's.

    IMHO - before recommendations, the need is to ascertain the purpose of the purchase.

    monitor or music ? (tho in some cases they may coincide)
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    Well, sticking with vintage, how about a 2-1/2 way system with UREI 809s and sub(s)? Not as much love for the UREIs as the 43xx-44xx speakers but a new set of diaphragms and fresh capacitors in the network and you've got some good monitors.
    http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/...5-urei-809.htm

    Or the UREI 811 with the e-145 15" and 2425h, again combined with sub(s).
    https://youtu.be/ol7ZmaiAAB0

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWCCA View Post
    L96 and 4313 are both 10-inch.

    4412, 4412A, and L112 were all designed for horizontal near-field use but I've used them vertically as room speakers for over 35-years with no complaints. 4410 and L96 are both excellent 3-ways but with 10-inch woofers. Contrary to popular opinion, neither the L96 or 4410 are really much, if any, smaller than their 12-inch siblings. Go ahead and compare the dimensions of the 4410A and 4412A here in the JBL brochure. Any of those mentioned will have excellent resale value

    What kind of listening will you be doing? What kind of room? How far from the speakers? If you really want a 12-inch, then don't worry about their intended orientation unless you'll have them right in front of your face. And even then . . .

    If you compare the 4410/A and L96 to their 12-inch siblings, you may not miss the extra woofer size. If you really want "monitors", I'd suggest the LSR305 powered monitors for your temporary setup. At $200, new, per pair—or a bit more for the Mk-II version—you might just find they'll do everything you want and you won't even need your amps. And you won't worry about resale because you'll never want to sell them!
    I disagree with the statement regarding the L112. While they can play well horizontally, they were not, IMHO, "designed for horizontal near-field use" like the 4412. I bought my first pair in 1982 and JBL never marketed them as horizontal near-field monitors although either placement was covered in the user manual. Besides, why are the foilcals vertical?


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