I agree with Ian and suggest looking at newer designs if a reference monitor is the top consideration. The 25-40 year old monitors are tired at this point with no ability to replace diaphragms.
I agree with Ian and suggest looking at newer designs if a reference monitor is the top consideration. The 25-40 year old monitors are tired at this point with no ability to replace diaphragms.
Better than most of the vintage, I would say, and, for the present, free of collector fever pricing. In the vintage lines the 066 tweeter is possibly better; it does not appear in a monitor other than the 4313, which has a special reputation, I will note, though sadly for the present instance has only ten inches of woofer. I really like the 066 in the L212 but have not made a systematic comparison. Maybe some of the 044 series would be preferred; haven't heard them, so I don't know. The LSR tweeter could be seen as a dusted 035 and better than any naked titanium, for my money. The 505 midrange is two or three notches above anything in the LE5 series or 104 series, and if you have interest in the effects of a long midrange, having it play from 250 to 2250 Hz should be a reason for looking into this speaker. The neodymium woofer in the LSR has some of the complex voice coil, gap and cone engineering that appears in the 1400nd, 150xAL and later woofers. JBL traditionalists just need to get over the 2" voice coils in a 12" woofer (there are two of them plus a braking coil) just as they are getting over the 3" coil in the 2216nd series 15" woofers.
The speaker plays within a dB from 60Hz to 20kHz.
Of course, for the OP, collector fever pricing may be a sine qua non.
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Wow , they have stellar specs. The midrange unit seems to be a hottie
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Hi, Steve
We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.
Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated
46 lover
No discussion of 12" 3-ways is complete without the 120Ti. Probably the best drivers of the older stuff, and a very nice looking cabinet to boot.
jblnut
+1 . Mine are playing right now as I type. I'm not up on the new/whizbang stuff, but can't imagine anyone not being happy with 120's. (and YES..the teak cabs are quite nice) . I seem to like the 044Ti's sound.
IMHO, they are #2 in vintage 3 way/12 JBL's only to the unobtainium Century Golds
($5K/pr msrp )
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We don't konw what speaker that you really wantold school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.
Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated[/QUOTE]
Hello Martin,
I hope that you are happy and well.
To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.
4311 3 way 12" 4311B 3 way 12" 4312A 3 way 12" 4315 /B 4 way 12" Out of my price range 4411 3 way 12" 4412 3 way 12" 4412AL-1 4412AR-1 4425 2 way 12"
Hello Martin,
I hope that you are happy and well.
To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.
[/QUOTE]
4311 3 way 12" 4311B 3 way 12" 4312A 3 way 12" 4315 /B 4 way 12" Out of my price range 4411 3 way 12" 4412 3 way 12" 4412AL-1 4412AR-1 4425 2 way 12"
You mean 12'' 43 series and 44 series?among all these monitors,4425 is the best,but it is 2 ways(4428,4429 are more better),second is 4412A, i prefer JBL black woofers than the white,because black woofers give more bass and go deeper.others are too old and are not in their conditions.
one word,you like horn:4425,you like cone:4412A
46 lover
Hello Martin,
I hope that you are happy and well.
To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.
[/QUOTE]
4311 3 way 12" 4311B 3 way 12" 4312A 3 way 12" 4315 /B 4 way 12" Out of my price range 4411 3 way 12" 4412 3 way 12" 4412AL-1 4412AR-1 4425 2 way 12"
Plus:the most important thing is that it must be YOU who like it,not anybody else,so just find them and audition one by one
46 lover
Noting that the OP specified "studio monitors" , tho many he listed probably don't fit that
description.
Also the 4410 has been mentioned a couple of times. I HAD a pair and enjoyed them, BUT
they were an analytical monitor and NOT very musical.
The 4412 did not suffer that fate tho.
The 4312 (original) that I had was a big "nothingburger". It wasn't a real monitor nor was
it musical. It didn't last long around here. 4310 & 4311's were just commercial L100's.
IMHO - before recommendations, the need is to ascertain the purpose of the purchase.
monitor or music ? (tho in some cases they may coincide)
Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles
Well, sticking with vintage, how about a 2-1/2 way system with UREI 809s and sub(s)? Not as much love for the UREIs as the 43xx-44xx speakers but a new set of diaphragms and fresh capacitors in the network and you've got some good monitors.
http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/...5-urei-809.htm
Or the UREI 811 with the e-145 15" and 2425h, again combined with sub(s).
https://youtu.be/ol7ZmaiAAB0
I disagree with the statement regarding the L112. While they can play well horizontally, they were not, IMHO, "designed for horizontal near-field use" like the 4412. I bought my first pair in 1982 and JBL never marketed them as horizontal near-field monitors although either placement was covered in the user manual. Besides, why are the foilcals vertical?
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