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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post
    Has anybody on here heard this sub or has bought this sub? There really isn't a whole lot of information out there or that many reviews. I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it.

    Hi. I have auditioned them twice at AES New York 2015 and 2017. I would say that they are very good. There is a small thing. Im not sure if they are "as musical" as the predecessors. 2242 and 2245, but for power and "correctness" they are fantastic. The new sub 15 is also very good. I might get a pair at a later point, but for now im content with a pair of 4645C
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    Quote Originally Posted by timc View Post
    Hi. I have auditioned them twice at AES New York 2015 and 2017. I would say that they are very good. There is a small thing. Im not sure if they are "as musical" as the predecessors. 2242 and 2245, but for power and "correctness" they are fantastic. The new sub 15 is also very good. I might get a pair at a later point, but for now im content with a pair of 4645C
    How do you define "musical"? I went from S1S-EX to SUB18's but have not listened much yet - final phase of theater construction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas_h View Post
    How do you define "musical"? I went from S1S-EX to SUB18's but have not listened much yet - final phase of theater construction

    Hi.

    It is difficult to explain, but lets say that the 2242/2245 brings you to the musician, and the newer 2269 brings you to the record. This is taking it very far, but it is just to try and explain my percieved qualities. Completely subjective of course.

    If you want the best precission i would choose the 2269 (sub 18). But there is no accounting for taste


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    Quote Originally Posted by timc View Post
    Hi.

    It is difficult to explain, but lets say that the 2242/2245 brings you to the musician, and the newer 2269 brings you to the record. This is taking it very far, but it is just to try and explain my percieved qualities. Completely subjective of course.

    If you want the best precission i would choose the 2269 (sub 18). But there is no accounting for taste


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    I'm a little confused. The 2242/2245 is more musical, but the 2269 is more precise/accurate? I'm guessing that means you subjectively prefer the older drivers, even though the newer one may be measurably "better?"

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    I'd love to listen to the Sub18 next to my 2245s. Of course the Sub18's will play louder, but I'm not sure they would be better for a home environment.
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    How are the distortion plots for 2245? I picked the SUB18s due to the very low distortion figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas_h View Post
    How are the distortion plots for 2245? I picked the SUB18s due to the very low distortion figures.
    Yes, of course, you’re undoubtedly right. It isn’t really fair to compare a 30 year old design with a current, state of the art design. I was just saying that the 2245s are still very good for home applications. The added twist for me is that the Sub18 has a DSP setting for integrating it with the M2s. That is a huge plus and may ultimately cause me to sell my 2245s and buy a Sub18.

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    I dont think that should be a reason to change. No such thing as presets for sub/mains integration. Here the room and positioning is such a big influence that it calls for custom calibrated settings in the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas_h View Post
    I dont think that should be a reason to change. No such thing as presets for sub/mains integration. Here the room and positioning is such a big influence that it calls for custom calibrated settings in the room.
    “No such thing as a preset”? Huh, I’m confused. Attached is the website from jblpro.com. It looks to me like they have a preset. Of course though, this doesn’t preclude the ability or desire to fine turn their generic preset.
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    My point is that the preset will be so generic that it is close to useless. The integration between subs and speakers is an extremely difficult exercise where the room affects the subs and speakers very differently due to difference in placement. So the pretty 24db/octave slope the generic filter specifies for the subwoofer, is a 12db/oct slope after room intereactions where the speakers might follow a different slope thus providing an incorrect integration.

    But others might chime in with a different school of thought.

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