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    For the internet vendors of the Quadrex repros, what's the deal/status with the design patent and others?

    I'm sure there's several, JBL invested a lot of effort into the project.

    There seems no issue with using the protected trade name of the inserts either, "Quadrex" for the purposes of marketing; the sculpted-foam folks use it in their headers:
    NEW JBL L100 CENTURY QUADREX FOAM GRILLE INSERTS L-100

    Too bad it's just us, desperate to find the missing parts; that header would be a winning law suit a couple times over (false advertising).

    What's the deal today? Expired, they don't care (JBL/Harman), or do you have to get permission (sellers only).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    For the internet vendors of the Quadrex repros, what's the deal/status with the design patent and others?

    I'm sure there's several, JBL invested a lot of effort into the project.

    What's the deal today? Expired, they don't care, or do you have to get permission (sellers only).

    I really doubt they give a rat's a** one way or the other on stuff like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audiomagnate View Post
    I really doubt they give a rat's a** one way or the other on stuff like this.
    Thats a rat's patootie!

    BMWCCA: What do you mean by a "fake-but-fun model"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by audiomagnate View Post
    I really doubt they give a rat's a** one way or the other on stuff like this.
    You may be correct, but I wouldn't be so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofagun View Post
    Thats a rat's patootie!

    BWCCAA: What do you mean by a "fake-but-fun model"?
    Condescending dig on the speaker; doesn't have the "in crowd" seal of approval.

    Lot of guys give the L100s a sort of conditional love, even some who have never heard or owned them (NOT saying that's the case here).

    Part of a herd mentality that has created an atmosphere in which many L100 owners will open a post or a dialog about their speakers with an apology for doing so (owning and liking/loving L100s).

    Anyway, it's a thinly veiled dump on what some think is the "cloth seat" crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    Please do not apologize for your English, it is working perfectly well; 25% of the residents of "my" state cannot speak it at all, OR read or write in their own tongue.
    I am attempting to say I appreciate your accomplishment and even more so when it is not a mandatory requisite (being multi-lingual) when others make no effort at all.
    Thank you very much
    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    What is your trade or training if I may ask?
    Yes. IT specialist/programmer. So you know sometimes I like to make something more physical / touchable. Like to know and make many things. So I do

    Backing to the topic and measures. Funny thing because I think designer of this spekers didn't thought about accurate dimensions when he was doing his job 45 (more less) years ago.
    What is more funny. If he even thought about it. It was in inches not milimeters

    After some more analyzes I think I have final dimensions.

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    Funny thing about squares and margin. Orginally it's 12-14mm, but when you set margin to 14mm you don't have perfect square (rather rectangle)
    When it's 12mm ( nearly half an inch ) it looks better. Almost perfect it's when you set it to 10mm. Square is square
    Of course our eye rather can't see this difference. But it's curiosity.

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    At the end. I'm surprised atmosphere around these foams and I think it's a little sad ...
    Anyway I do my job

    Greetings for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    Condescending dig on the speaker; doesn't have the "in crowd" seal of approval.

    Lot of guys give the L100s a sort of conditional love, even some who have never heard or owned them (NOT saying that's the case here).

    Part of a herd mentality that has created an atmosphere in which many L100 owners will open a post or a dialog about their speakers with an apology for doing so (owning and liking/loving L100s).

    Anyway, it's a thinly veiled dump on what some think is the "cloth seat" crowd.
    Thanks but I was asking BMWCCA for clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofagun View Post
    Thanks but I was asking BMWCCA for clarification.
    That's not his style.

    How you making out with your back orders?

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    Uhh, sorry but what do you mean by the cryptic response (common on this forum it seems), "That's not his style". I just wanted to know what "fake-but-fun model" is (or means). Still do. "That's not his style" doesn't answer the question!

    Back orders? Tough turning out product when NO ONE shows ANY interest in giving a company (who's product is in demand worldwide) ANY *(*&(*^$^ help whatsoever! Lots of talk (which is cheap) but no one recognizes an opportunity when it stares them right in the face. No wonder this country's economy is going into the toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofagun View Post
    Uhh, sorry but what do you mean by the cryptic response (common on this forum it seems), "That's not his style".

    Back orders? Tough turning out product when NO ONE shows ANY interest in giving a company (who's product is in demand worldwide) ANY *(*&(*^$^ help whatsoever! Lots of talk (which is cheap) but no one recognizes an opportunity when it stares them right in the face. No wonder this country's economy is going into the toilet.
    I meant EXACTLY what I said, that it is not his style.

    Now THAT'S some cryptic shit in light of what you just said to me. What exactly is the issue? Time? Labor? No money for raw materials?..............what's the deal?

    Did not intend to strike a raw nerve their fella. I KNOW you've been through some shit and I am sorry, and I mean that. But you ain't alone pal, so suck it up. You've been crying this same tired ass story since you were unable to sell your "business".

    I have wanted to buy TWO sets in the past year but every time I go to your website there's a "we're back ordered message".
    There is ALWAYS some problem.
    I did want to go with you as you were the first to do these to my knowledge. I wanted to be loyal, I wanted to see your physical product (never have). But my customers also wanted their speakers back.

    Not going to solve a business problem just ranting about how much America sucks. No bank's going to loan you money if you can't fill the orders you already have.

    I sincerely appreciate what you did and the fact that YOU set a new bar. That was a very substantial accomplishment and I know it required a great deal of devotion on your part.

    But taking an idea and turning it into a VIABLE BUSINESS, now that's another story altogether.
    Sorry for your woes.

    Why don't you do one of those "kick starter" type deals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
    Hey TW ....

    You are obviously a smart guy and have lots of experience. I'd be happy to have a beer with you, but the angry , sometimes snarky comments really don't work well on this forum. I had one member (now gone) who worked at provoking me and I responded in kind. Now I look at those posts and wish they were delete-able.

    Trust me, I understand. Most of my life I've been that way too. I can parade out my excuses, but nobody cares. Finally I went into PTSD counseling and have been mellowing out. (with rare exceptions)

    Plse take this for what it is meant to be. NOT an attack.

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    I edited post #24 to clarify my question.

    My business was started with hope and on a shoestring (last of unemployment $$) and it has grown very slowly (and very painfully) over the last 40 some odd years - unfortunately it pretty much has always had to operate on a shoestring - so there's never been enough money to do things properly - proper facility, personnel, equipment sufficient to meet product demand, advertising and promotion. Rather a "cart before (or without) the horse" situation (or catch 22?). Have always had to find the cheapest way to do things. I tried a "kickstarter" deal with dismal results - maybe because I don't understand the process plus am extremely limited in my computer/on-line operations due to lack of knowledge or help in that area - constantly have computer problems!

    One man (and old school at that) just cannot do it all!!!!!! I have to turn away people almost daily who want L100 grilles! Thousands of dollars to be made but no one wants to get in on the deal.

    Am I making myself clear???

    It's a complex situation but I have concluded this: IF you have a viable product that the public does want, then the best way is to get a substantial business loan so you can start up and run the business properly. Trying to make it happen with little $$ just doesn't work too well no matter what else you bring to the table.

    I've had more than a few potential investors interested but so far all seem to find one or another "excuse" for not getting involved.

    Nothing happens (in business) unless you actually DO something! Talk gets you nowhere. I have made and sold thousands of grilles over the years with minimal advertising & promotion. Imagine what proper support would mean.

    Recently have gone out on a limb and leased a larger building to use but it's a gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofagun View Post
    I edited post #24 to clarify my question.

    My business was started with hope and on a shoestring (last of unemployment $$) and it has grown very slowly (and very painfully) over the last 40 some odd years - unfortunately it pretty much has always had to operate on a shoestring - so there's never been enough money to do things properly - proper facility, personnel, equipment sufficient to meet product demand, advertising and promotion. Rather a "cart before (or without) the horse" situation (or catch 22?). Have always had to find the cheapest way to do things. I tried a "kickstarter" deal with dismal results - maybe because I don't understand the process plus am extremely limited in my computer/on-line operations due to lack of knowledge or help in that area - constantly have computer problems!

    One man (and old school at that) just cannot do it all!!!!!! I have to turn away people almost daily who want L100 grilles! Thousands of dollars to be made but no one wants to get in on the deal.

    Am I making myself clear???

    It's a complex situation but I have concluded this: IF you have a viable product that the public does want, then the best way is to get a substantial business loan so you can start up and run the business properly. Trying to make it happen with little $$ just doesn't work too well no matter what else you bring to the table.

    I've had more than a few potential investors interested but so far all seem to find one or another "excuse" for not getting involved.

    Nothing happens (in business) unless you actually DO something! Talk gets you nowhere. I have made and sold thousands of grilles over the years with minimal advertising & promotion. Imagine what proper support would mean.

    Recently have gone out on a limb and leased a larger building to use but it's a gamble.
    As for clear? Painfully so, I am aware; you and I exchanged emails back in 2010 about me possibly buying your equipment.

    As for your other "question" and indictment on being "cryptic", I thoroughly answered the question. What part of it don't you understand? As for the "style"part? I've sent you a PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    Condescending dig on the speaker; doesn't have the "in crowd" seal of approval.

    Lot of guys give the L100s a sort of conditional love, even some who have never heard or owned them (NOT saying that's the case here).

    Part of a herd mentality that has created an atmosphere in which many L100 owners will open a post or a dialog about their speakers with an apology for doing so (owning and liking/loving L100s).

    Anyway, it's a thinly veiled dump on what some think is the "cloth seat" crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofagun View Post
    Back orders? Tough turning out product when NO ONE shows ANY interest in giving a company (who's product is in demand worldwide) ANY *(*&(*^$^ help whatsoever! Lots of talk (which is cheap) but no one recognizes an opportunity when it stares them right in the face. No wonder this country's economy is going into the toilet.
    I don't understand. Are you blaming non-investors for your back-orders? If so, it looks like something is wrong in your business model then. The recipe is simple. With very little funds, you make a small batch. Sell them and keep all profits to produce a bigger batch. And bigger. And bigger. Then back orders become a thing of the past. You don't need investors or a bank loan to make speaker grills.

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    Sheesh. I go away for a couple of hours to earn a living and you guys go ape-shit! The comment on whatever my "style" is isn't deserving of an reply. Stupid is as stupid does.

    "Fake-but-fun" was the revered Zilch's descriptive sobriquet for the L100 Century and their ilk. It's become well accepted as a perfect description of what makes the L100 the L100. I grew up with L100s and never liked them when they were new. I'm not jumping on a bandwagon. They earned and deserve their place in history and their reputation. All the rest of the comments in this thread related to the term are pretty much horse shit, but you get what you pay for around here when the bandwidth is monopolized by those who are just angry at the world.

    Carry on, if you must. I'm relaxin' listening to my favorite JBLs!
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