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    Cheap upgrade

    I've been hanging out on sites where I stand less of a chance of putting my foot in my mouth, but this is too good. I googled "best cd burner for audio" and replace my $15 burner for a Plextor 891SAW that cost me $30. I also burn CDs at 8x now. This thing burns more precisely especially at lower speeds. The disks that I reproduce on this thing don't sound quite as good as my one Blue Spec2 CD, but they many of the same qualities. The bass is much tighter than the original disk. The highs are smoother and the mids are warmer and more defined. I noticed the most improvement in older CDs that just didn't sound do good. It sounds like I upgraded the whole setup, but I didn't. If you want your CDs to sound better, all you have to do is copy them and burn them on this thing. you won't believe the difference. The price has gone up since I bought mine, I see them for about $56 now, still a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusnzha View Post
    If you want your CDs to sound better, all you have to do is copy them and burn them on this thing. you won't believe the difference.
    How does a lay human with, granted, only a passing familiarity with the way "digital" works rationalize such empirical evidence?
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    It burns the pits more precisely than the industrial burn of the original. This is opposite of analog which goes downhill with each succeeding copy. The CD can be copied with the ones and zeros burned more precisely which will sound better than the original. The best evidence is one's ears.

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    are you playing the burned disks back on the CD burner or
    in a stereo system ?

    I can dupe CD's to minidisks and they sound better. I looked up the phenomenon
    and it is attributed to a better DAC in the MD player.
    “If you think that’s the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard,
    just wait a couple minutes!”

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    It would seem to me any player is either going to get the 0 or 1, or not. I understand the DAC in which case the original disc would sound better on a better DAC, regardless of burning a copy or not. But I can't believe a read-error will get better on a burned copy. And how would any original factory-made CD have pits less precise than a burned copy?
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    Depends on the amount of error correction the player has to perform.
    A data drive can re-read problem areas, which could fix some issues
    that a real-time playback might not. I'm sure there are knowledgeable
    folks who have ripped apart and measured the various SNRs and done
    bit comparisons, jitter studies, etc... and published papers

    Hard (for me) to imagine -all- discs sounding better when returned on
    cd-R media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusnzha View Post
    I've been hanging out on sites where I stand less of a chance of putting my foot in my mouth, but this is too good. I googled "best cd burner for audio" and replace my $15 burner for a Plextor 891SAW that cost me $30. I also burn CDs at 8x now. This thing burns more precisely especially at lower speeds. The disks that I reproduce on this thing don't sound quite as good as my one Blue Spec2 CD, but they many of the same qualities. The bass is much tighter than the original disk. The highs are smoother and the mids are warmer and more defined. I noticed the most improvement in older CDs that just didn't sound do good. It sounds like I upgraded the whole setup, but I didn't. If you want your CDs to sound better, all you have to do is copy them and burn them on this thing. you won't believe the difference. The price has gone up since I bought mine, I see them for about $56 now, still a bargain.
    I get where you're coming from, man, but you've come to the wrong board for this kind of stuff. Welcome to (objectivist) Hell. lol.
    S4700 owner.

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    There's plenty of that going around these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_72 View Post
    I get where you're coming from, man, but you've come to the wrong board for this kind of stuff. Welcome to (objectivist) Hell. lol.
    Magic is certainly more fun than science.

    Seriously though, there are solid thoughtful arguments for both and a time and place for both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    Magic is certainly more fun than science.

    Seriously though, there are solid thoughtful arguments for both and a time and place for both.


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    Haha ok. I was kidding about the Hell part. I agree, there are valid points from both sides. For example, I consider myself a subjectivist, but I personally don't feel fancy rocks, discs, and cones will make my system sound head and shoulders above the crowd so to speak.
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    Agreed, take the money and get better stuff.

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