4365's in the US? Yup.

[1audiohack]

....So you bought a pair of those Everest enclosures from Denmark?

I have the "half of a DD67000" thing going with only a single 1501AL-2's instead of dual 1501AL-2's. I went with the 4338/4365 style enclosure to put the DD67000 components in.

I did.

I currently have the 1501Al-1's in my 4350's. I am going to swap them back out with the 1500Al's and since I am crossing them out a 250Hz they are really not going to give up much.

I have the Everest horn and throat to model as well as the rear port/terminal cover assembly so I will be able to make them right where it counts.

Without naming names and focussing unwanted attention to anyone, I am very greatful to all who have helped me obtain the pieces parts to make this happen! After these are done, if I can buy a pair of M2's I will be done, really,, I mean it,,, really!

How are you liking your DD project? I am interested in what you have done along the way.

I still haven't had the final 4338's cast, grrrr

[1audiohack]

....Also without JBL's anechoic chambers and expertise I am not confident I can dial in a DSP to really be superior. I say that even though I'm well aware that a million folks online have managed to setup their DSPs to make crap speakers sound "better" than all the mega buck systems out there.


Widget

Funny how that is. It's pretty easy to eak better performance out of a Neon and nearly anyone can. Just try to find one more scrap of performance in an F1 car and see how many people are up the the task.

They just really have no idea.

[LowPhreak]

I get that. I don't for a minute consider $15K pocket change. I remember when the big blu monitors showed up and the HiFi Shop (of Ogden Utah mass murder fame) had a pair of 4343's or 4345's, I just couldn't afford a pair, no way, no how. I hate debt so I would not borrow for them.

When these were anounced for sale everywhere but the US I was so mad. Half a lifetime later when these became available I went all in. No regrets.

I would really like to compare these directly in my own room over time to the M2's but I have to say that I am not knocked out by D2's I have. I know that they are made all they can be in a very elaborate system so I don't consider my own opinion conclusive.

I am listening to the 4365's right now and couldn't be happier.

All the best,
Barry.

I hear you, Barry. I won't do debt anymore either. Went that road for audio and other things before, and now I'm just cash or it won't happen. :P That story about Harman and the arm-twisting, all I can say is for christsakes. Eh, actually I wasn't surprised. Took them nearly a year to send replacement grilles for the 590s.

I think a better/dedicated room is some of the best money one could spend on audio, assuming the rest is up to reasonable par of course. Wish you luck on it!

[4313B]

I did.

Awesome!

How are you liking your DD project? I am interested in what you have done along the way.

I think I'm done, wait, I know I'm done. I am thoroughly pleased with the single 1501AL-2 and 476Be/H4338 in the 4338/4365 style box, blue baffle and all. I went so far as to buy a pair of the 4338 grilles rather than make my own. I tried the 4365, S9900 and all three DD6x000 passive filters and the DD67000 passive filters are so good that I might not bother finalizing any DSP solution. I am getting lazy.

I also have the 2216Nd and 476Mg/M2 waveguide DSP system that I need to build new boxes for. They have morphed a lot. I originally used 2206H's with PT-H1010 waveguides, played around with the various LE14H-3, 150xFE and 150xAL transducers and ended up with the 2216Nd's. So, M2 clones with the D2 replaced by the 476Mg.

I still haven't had the final 4338's cast, grrrr

I've given up on the JBL LCR thing so I won't be looking for a third H4338 or M2 waveguide. It is a relief to finally get that out of my head. I'm very happy with my Tannoy 7.2 HT and have abandoned plans to replace it with either of the JBL systems in an LCR configuration. The primary reason for that is the Tannoy HT system is very family friendly and I don't have to worry about the JBL's getting damaged. If I blow a Tannoy transducer they just send me a new one without any hassles unlike JBL. I have to take JBL to the mat for every single thing. I've only blown one Tannoy so far and that was caused by an HK AVR 7200 going rogue. G.T. always said that it was a question of when and not if. He was correct, naturally. Plus, point source is just too cool for HT anyway.

[JeffW]

I still haven't had the final 4338's cast, grrrr

Yeah, but one of these days you'll want tweeters/housings for those 66000s

[4313B]

On the DSP topic... I'm leaning in that direction too, but I'm still on the fence as to which one to go with. Also without JBL's anechoic chambers and expertise I am not confident I can dial in a DSP to really be superior.

You might want to ask G.T. where he is currently at with his Everest/DSP endeavors. Last I heard he was using all proprietary DSP filters so it wasn't like anyone could follow suit with their pair of Everests.

[1audiohack]

Yeah, but one of these days you'll want tweeters/housings for those 66000s

Don't think for a second I forgot about that.

[1audiohack]

Awesome!

I think I'm done, wait, I know I'm done. I am thoroughly pleased with the single 1501AL-2 and 476Be/H4338 in the 4338/4365 style box, blue baffle and all. I went so far as to buy a pair of the 4338 grilles rather than make my own. I tried the 4365, S9900 and all three DD6x000 passive filters and the DD67000 passive filters are so good that I might not bother finalizing any DSP solution. I am getting lazy.

I also have the 2216Nd and 476Mg/M2 waveguide DSP system that I need to build new boxes for. They have morphed a lot. I originally used 2206H's with PT-H1010 waveguides, played around with the various LE14H-3, 150xFE and 150xAL transducers and ended up with the 2216Nd's. So, M2 clones with the D2 replaced by the 476Mg.

I've given up on the JBL LCR thing so I won't be looking for a third H4338 or M2 waveguide. It is a relief to finally get that out of my head. I'm very happy with my Tannoy 7.2 HT and have abandoned plans to replace it with either of the JBL systems in an LCR configuration. The primary reason for that is the Tannoy HT system is very family friendly and I don't have to worry about the JBL's getting damaged. If I blow a Tannoy transducer they just send me a new one without any hassles unlike JBL. I have to take JBL to the mat for every single thing. I've only blown one Tannoy so far and that was caused by an HK AVR 7200 going rogue. G.T. always said that it was a question of when and not if. He was correct, naturally. Plus, point source is just too cool for HT anyway.

My short and honest answer to all of that is that I am genuinely glad that you are headed toward peace of mind on this front. Good for you.

It's empowering when one can sweep a bunch of stuff off the list and enjoy whats within reach. This is a lesson that I am finally learning. S L O W L Y!

All the best,
Barry.

[Dave_72]

I can't speak about the DD67000s or M2s, but I have had the 4365s, 9900s, and my own DD66000s all in my room for days or weeks to audition. Leaving aesthetics off the table I would rate them in order of cost, meaning the most expensive sounds the best and the 4365 follows the 9900... with a fairly large disclaimer. If a subwoofer is out of the question, then the 4365 wins. The upper bass and lower mids of the 9900 are distinctly better, but the lack of low end doesn't suit my musical tastes.

On the DSP topic... I'm leaning in that direction too, but I'm still on the fence as to which one to go with. Also without JBL's anechoic chambers and expertise I am not confident I can dial in a DSP to really be superior. I say that even though I'm well aware that a million folks online have managed to setup their DSPs to make crap speakers sound "better" than all the mega buck systems out there.


Widget

I take it you've heard the 9900s extensively... That's interesting on the lack of low end when it's an Alnico driver. Just sayin'. I happen to like them...a lot.

[4313B]

I take it you've heard the 9900s extensively... That's interesting on the lack of low end when it's an Alnico driver. Just sayin'. I happen to like them...a lot.

The S9900 enclosure was made smaller than "usual" and it used a specific variant of the 1500AL (1500AL-1) but you know what they say, there's no substitute for cubic inches, in this case, cubic feet. The S9900 uses a 3.4 cubic foot volume. The 4365 uses a 4.2 cubic foot volume. Around 4.6 cubic feet is optimum for the other versions of the 1500AL (1501AL, 1501AL-1, 1501AL-2) and that is what the Everest II enclosure offers x2.

[Dave_72]

The S9900 enclosure was made smaller than "usual" and it used a specific variant of the 1500AL (1500AL-1) but you know what they say, there's no substitute for cubic inches, in this case, cubic feet. The S9900 uses a 3.4 cubic foot volume. The 4365 uses a 4.2 cubic foot volume. Around 4.6 cubic feet is optimum for the other versions of the 1500AL (1501AL, 1501AL-1, 1501AL-2) and that is what the Everest II enclosure offers x2.

Ok. So basically, you feel JBL screwed up in the design of the K2. I highly doubt that, but what the Hell do I know.

[Don C]

They compromised on this design in a different way than he would have chosen. That's all.

[Mr. Widget]

They compromised on this design in a different way than he would have chosen. That's all.

Exactly... many people find that package extremely desirable.


Widget

[JuniorJBL]

They compromised on this design in a different way than he would have chosen. That's all.

I would have to agree. After putting the 1500AL's in the B380 cab with the 476Mg's on top I was all but done.

It was much different than the S9900's I have listened to.

[4313B]

They compromised on this design in a different way than he would have chosen. That's all.

Exactly... many people find that package extremely desirable.

Perfect!
Thank you