Perfecting Sound Forever

[mixsit]

Hi, long time lurker' here. I've really enjoyed this thread. And it made me revisit something I've wondered for a long time. Might groove echo be a subtle part of the sound of vinyl?
I've done some searches but not found anything as far as what might be typical relative levels of this on disks?
We've all heard it likely and sometimes it's quite prominent between tracks, but I can't help but wonder if it might have an effect during the music as well.

Wayne Smith

[Ducatista47]

I want to post that I do follow the comments and observations in this thread with great interest, even though I started it!

I wish to especially thank those of you who have aquired the book for doing so and responding with your feedback. I look forward to hearing from all who are reading the book. Naysayers are as welcome as fans, but your collective rewarding experiences are gratifying for me read. I wrote about the book here because I feel it has extraordinary and lasting importance to members of the audio community who care about sound. Where would we be without recording?

I am next going to test these waters with a book that chronicles the effects owning phonographs had on American society from their inception through 1945. The 78rpm era pretty much. According to the synopsis the effects were fundamental, profound, far reaching and largely unexpected. I expect to find the tale of access to these technologies to be as fascinating as their development. Bearing in mind that radio had much more effect on society and history than television, this should be of major importance as well.

Should I review it in this thread or start another? Or should I just STFU and keep my boring life to myself? I have the feeling a little of me goes a long way.

Clark

[Mr. Widget]

Should I review it in this thread or start another? Or should I just STFU and keep my boring life to myself? I have the feeling a little of me goes a long way.

I'd like to see it with its own thread.

FWIW: I only recently ordered the book and am waiting for it to arrive.


Widget

[1audiohack]

Should I review it in this thread or start another? Or should I just STFU and keep my boring life to myself? I have the feeling a little of me goes a long way.Clark

I don't see it that way at all Clark. I am glad you are an active member here. You often have a take that I never considered or had the expeience that even got me thinking. Don't shut up my friend.

I wish I had the time to engage in all the converstaions here that interest me. Silence doesn't mean disinterest on my part, although there is no way to know that.

All the best,
Barry.

[Ducatista47]

Well, now we're for it. I ordered the book last night. Hope your encouragement works out for us.

A Century of Recorded Music; Listening to Musical History Timothy Day, second edition, 2002.

[Ducatista47]

Well, now we're for it. I ordered the book last night. Hope your encouragement works out for us.

A Century of Recorded Music; Listening to Musical History Timothy Day, second edition, 2002.

OK, senior moment; I listed the wrong book. That one is a history of recording "Western Art Music" and is the polar opposite of the title I was writing about. The new thread will be about Recorded Music In American Life, The Phonograph and Popular Memory, 1890-1945.

[Ducatista47]

Here is a very well done video titled "Why does vinyl sound better than MP3?" Its real intention is to present reasons why many musicians and listeners prefer vinyl to CDs, not mp3s. One vinyl lover after another gives reasons having nothing to do with science and nearly all have nothing to do with fidelity. It's all about various incarnations of nostalga. Weller admits he has always felt the packaging is of equal importance to the music. That's pretty British, by the way. When Culture Club came to tour the USA, Boy George was amazed how discriminating the music fans here were. He noted that the record had to sound interesting here, while all it took in the UK for a good turnout at the gigs was a good album cover or event poster.

The engineer cutting the master (ironically from digital) noted that his list of necessary compromises to get it on the grooves was only hinting at the ocean of such distortions the process introduced. Preferred sound over fidelity was the only sonic reason for the process. It all came back to having the big sleeve, holding the record, the ritual of playing it, liking hanging around record stores, remembering your first album, and so on. And, of course that warm, "human" sound.

It all lapsed occasionally into complete BS. The ownership and tactile experience of 12" is valid but that of 5.25" is not, apparently. Weller trotted out the chestnut that because digital is on/off it can not possibly accurately render music; it doesn't work on any real level. Flood, the producer, starting at 3:25, unleashed an epic flood of BS that any scientist or audio engineer would wince at. The "fact" that humans can hear 50 KHZ even made an appearance. Next time I watch this I will need bib waders. But this is the stuff I hear almost every time I listen to a vinyl fan. In my experience, while many of us digital users gladly give Vinyl its due - if it is the sound you prefer, that is all that really matters - vinyl users usually feel the need to put down digital as inferior, I presume as a defense mechanism from the tone of their positions. That is so unnecessary. Plus, lacking in facts as it usually is, it perverts the dialogue down to parroting fabrications like it is a religion.

Has anyone else read the book?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKDt3JmELAM

By the way, Widget, I just bucked the trend. I purchased a new non high end but high quality single tray CD player. An Onkyo C-7030. IF I ever use it natively instead of coaxial digital out, attention has been paid in its design to mechanical quietness and electronics quality. Definitely not in the Home Theater family of products. The high end does not service the CDP market well. Its answer to the need is to charge thousands of dollars for "transports," the result of applying the separates idea to the player, possibly yielding inaudible improvement. Charging a whole lot more for a whole lot less. Why am I reminded of wire?