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    ...and we thought some of the 70's audio ads were cheesy.

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    Makes me want to trade in my XPL's.


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    Question I don't know who they are anymore ...

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    "The Soundtrack of Sell-Out"

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    think I'll run out and buy some wireless JBL (by Harming) MP3 cans today ... or maybe not
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    Like it or not (and I certainly do not), listening to MP3s through headphones is the way the vast majority of humans consume music these days,and Harman would be foolish indeed to ignore that market. Remember that like Sony (before they jettisoned their audio division), it's the cash flow from these consumer-level (and OEM car audio) products that allows Harman to keep people like Greg Timbers and Jerry Morro working on SOTA projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hsosdrum View Post
    Like it or not (and I certainly do not), listening to MP3s through headphones is the way the vast majority of humans consume music these days,and Harman would be foolish indeed to ignore that market. Remember that like Sony (before they jettisoned their audio division), it's the cash flow from these consumer-level (and OEM car audio) products that allows Harman to keep people like Greg Timbers and Jerry Morro working on SOTA projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hsosdrum View Post
    Like it or not (and I certainly do not), listening to MP3s through headphones is the way the vast majority of humans consume music these days,and Harman would be foolish indeed to ignore that market. Remember that like Sony (before they jettisoned their audio division), it's the cash flow from these consumer-level (and OEM car audio) products that allows Harman to keep people like Greg Timbers and Jerry Morro working on SOTA projects.
    Or they could make money on what they've always been best at - loudspeakers. Timbers and others did just fine before the MP3 era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowPhreak View Post
    Or they could make money on what they've always been best at -
    loudspeakers. Timbers and others did just fine before the MP3 era.
    Ask the Music Business how that has been working out for them.

    Nothing in the industry is the same as it was before the MP3 era ...

    Expecting it to be the same is a great way to watch sales drop below survivability.

    But Harman's issues are much deeper than who they market speakers to ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Ask the Music Business how that has been working out for them.

    Nothing in the industry is the same as it was before the MP3 era ...

    Expecting it to be the same is a great way to watch sales drop below survivability.

    But Harman's issues are much deeper than who they market speakers to ...
    +1. A company the size of Harman (or even the size of the JBL division) cannot survive only selling consumer loudspeakers - there simply are not enough people who listen to audio through speakers. No one wishes more that things were still the same as they were back in 1978, but nothing is (including me, much to my chagrin).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Ask the Music Business how that has been working out for them.

    Nothing in the industry is the same as it was before the MP3 era ...

    Expecting it to be the same is a great way to watch sales drop below survivability.

    But Harman's issues are much deeper than who they market speakers to ...

    Hardware (speakers, etc.) isn't software (digital files, etc.), and as you know, JBL makes pro, cinema, and recording products too, not just consumer. I've always thought that Harman's foray into the many things that Seawolf has posted here was simply another way to "diversify" using cheap Asia or Mexico labor to increase the bottom line of shareholders and execs, not so much "hey, we gotta get with the times and make cans, PC speakers, wireless/portable junk, and car stuff or we're gonna die off."

    So what else is new?

    You may have noticed that there are many audio companies that don't make that stuff and are doing fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowPhreak View Post
    Hardware (speakers, etc.) isn't software (digital files, etc.), and as you know, JBL makes pro, cinema, and recording products too, not just consumer. I've always thought that Harman's foray into the many things that Seawolf has posted here was simply another way to "diversify" using cheap Asia or Mexico labor to increase the bottom line of shareholders and execs, not so much "hey, we gotta get with the times and make cans, PC speakers, wireless/portable junk, and car stuff or we're gonna die off."

    So what else is new?

    You may have noticed that there are many audio companies that don't make that stuff and are doing fine.

    Timbers and others did just fine before the MP3 era.
    And how many Greg Timbers are being groomed for the next wave of JBL Performance gear?

    I'm not saying they won't make it, what I am saying is that the music business has changed since the 1990s and before -
    and so has the Cinema business, the Pro sound business, and the recording business. The excesses are over - its a minimal edge over requirements, tighter budgets, less renewables, and more replaceables in the current production models.

    More accounting, more contracting and consulting, more marketing, less about on-staff engineering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    And how many Greg Timbers are being groomed for the next wave of JBL Performance gear?

    I don't know, but I'd hope they do something about it soon if you're inference is correct.

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    If you can't sell on features and specs ...sell on trivia and celebrity and style.
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    really ?

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    bet they pay some ad agency big bucks for this stuff ? (while cutting engineering ?)
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