Did it resonate the metal plate in your head....?? Most of Bose Labrinth design came frome Stromberg Carlson design of 1939 As well as AMPEX direct/reflective design speakers
Did it resonate the metal plate in your head....?? Most of Bose Labrinth design came frome Stromberg Carlson design of 1939 As well as AMPEX direct/reflective design speakers
Agreed, Time and again I read about or experience smaller speaker companies that go to great lengths explain and show how they make, test and match individual pairs of speakers. They are the manufacturers who take enormous pride in their creations as well, but they go all the way in ensuring that each pair that leave the premises are perfect. Those are the companies that succeed in the long term, regardless if they use compound x or whatever, the transparency and accountability makes them a viable option for those of us who can afford their products. Hell, even look at Kenrick Sound in Japan. They rebuild classic JBL stuff and take great pains to show the process involved, and the results they finish with. Oh boy, they do a great job! and their speakers aren't cheap. However they sell them quicker than candy at a kids party. The Volti issue is sad, I adore the look of them, however looks alone are only a small part of the equation. Now judging by the responses to you, may I suggest you now let it go, it's not worth the hassle. Time will tell if they are a success, and in my opinion it takes a foolhardy person to spend that amount of cash without any serious understanding of what they are buying. Proprietary issues aside, any maker worth his salt WILL AND DOES test thoroughly. Take Care.
So what is it your trying to say ???????
Its about the Glory of American Industry and doing the right thing for the buyers -
How some have lost their way, and sod off to all who are doubters or have lesser visions ...
... with liberty and justice for all ... Amen.
I got yardwork to do -
have a great Sunday, Y'all...
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That's the way to go SuperGirl.....Over three million voicecoils were made in China last year,,, What speaker manufactures picked them up to build their speakers ?????
I'd be willing to bet the number is probably more like a 100x that, or even greater, but
you can start the search to find your answer here:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...il+parts+aliba
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchTex t=speaker+voice+coil+formers
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/speakers-made-in-china.html
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/bluetooth-speaker.html
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...heap++speakers
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/voice-coil.html
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/speaker-voice-coil.html
You can even buy your own machine and maybe go into business with Greg!:
http://www.alibaba.com/speaker-voice...facturers.html
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/voice-coil-wire.html
Have fun, search function works just like ePay
Yes China is the largest supplier of voice coils, world wide,,,
Maron, Stop being such a dickhead! You have a different opinion, SO WHAT! Stop trying to be inflammatory, you come across as a child who must get his own way. Find something productive to do with yourself, maybe use your skills and start a speaker manufacturing business. Too many people like you exist on Audio Forums who seem to like to have lengthy passionate debate's about very informal topics. This place is a friendly site for people with a shared love of JBL, any comments on issues are the views of the writers, not invitations to be proven right or wrong. It seems obvious though that JBL have disregarded their heritage and the loyalty of it's customers by becoming a manufacturer who now has production offshore. Very few, if any, quality speaker makers DO NOT make their own products in house. It makes JBL one of the lower tier manufacturers who have the dubious honor of being not much better than some Chinese product. Who knows, before too long they will save money by having all their R&D done in China as well. Poor old Mr JBL would be rolling over in his grave if he knew where the company has gone!
I don't see the relationship between asking questions and the price point or if its mutli national or one man show.
The fact to decline your request has annoyed you.
But your questions may have been better asked.
What is the relevance of the drivers in determining of you like the system or if it will suit your amps?
Your question is a leading question in that context. Perhaps you are fishing for details of the design?
As he does not use his own in house drivers sending a message to the market I use B brand may be miss interpreted and would therefore be reluctant to advise.
Technically only system engineering can determine that and what designer would publicise his IP when all you have to do it plug in your amp and see if you like it?
ie Is the loudspeaker suited to 8 or 4 ohm taps for a valve amp?
This is a difficult question to answer without knowing the design of your amps, ie the output impediance and the phase angle of the loudspeaker impedance (resistive or reactive).
If I was the loudspeaker guy I would be reluctant to make comment
Some designer get around this by stating their drivers are made to their specifications which is not that difficult these days.
OMA in NY have lavish designs $100K Plus and they state nothing of their designs other than the basic physics.
The their marketing does the talking with industry experts behind the designs.
So its not useful to make a blanket statement that no specs means the brand is doubtful.
More often than not a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
I believe Wagner was doing the flameing,,A little bit of knowledge is what he was askng for before he whent on a diatribe..
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
First, let us set the record straight; I never did make or imply such a statement. Some of you just infer and go off on all sorts of shit that's not being said or even the topic, I don't understand it, but's let's wrap this up, shall we?
I hear you and I concur on all your points of fact; that there is more than one way to build a mouse trap and not everyone does everything the same way every time. But speaking to some of your points:
I never made mention nor was my original intent to determine the country of origin of anything used by Greg Roberts. My emails to him were NOT an attempt to gain evidence in order to refute his "All American" claims; the "made in the prc" tangent was the result of this thread being derailed.
OK, now that I have said that for what feels like the one hundredth time, I had to go "fishing" as you put it, not to engage in industrial espionage or reverse engineering (as Greg seems to fear, or so he says), not to find reasons to belie and belittle his products or designs but to at least garner some of the most essential of information as there is regarding his loudspeakers and my main point of interest for what really matters, their SOUND.
Yes, my initial draw was the fact that they were horns and a build quality of what appears to be of exquisite craftsmanship (or so they seem), but no need to do the dance of price negotiations or the "foreplay" as someone put it, if once I learned of the essentials I would know immediately I would proceed no farther, so why waste both of our time?
As everyone knows by now, Volti Audio designs use off the shelf drivers, fine. I want to know exactly which ones. With this information, and assuming the drivers employed are/were well known and accessible, I could at least have some possible idea of what his systems might sound like, kind of, sort of, maybe. At least some small shred of an idea of what their sonic character MIGHT be. A thought, an idea.........SOMETHING
Because, these $15,000 dollar a pair and up loudspeakers are NOT AVAILABLE IN STORES,
HE HAS NO DEALERS,
THERE IS NO SHOWROOM,
YOU CANNOT HEAR BEFORE YOU BUY unless you just happen to live next door to Greg in Tennessee or attend a trade show. Trying to break into the market at this price point with the "internet only" option currently available, I would think this guy would be HAPPY to answer questions. What's he think, "social media"'s going to make him a star?
I doubt very much that Mr. Roberts would be willing to ship a pair out to me, here in California, for an in home audition (at $15K I would ALMOST expect that option) and I am not planning any trips to Boulder Colorado or New York or Las Vegas or wherever else the hell it is he may be hawking them at the trade shows next, simply to have a listen. The woodwork is not THAT nice!
So, I asked of Mr. Roberts some very basic and essential information regarding his product. If HE is "annoyed" by that as you put it, or finds it suspicious or wishes to "assert his "rights" as many have put it or whatever it is, then fine, that's his prerogative. BUT, tough shit, 'cause guess what?
Ding! Ding! "No Sale" Ya jes let one git away thar Greg ole boy.
Greg Roberts is just a guy selling some, what appears to be, very well made, expensive loudspeakers. He's just a guy. He's not a guru, he's not a god, he's not James B. Lansing or Paul Klipsch. He's not Greg Timbers or Edmond May. He has no history or back story other than that of being a long time member of the Klipsch forums. What little information out there is scattered and not always in agreement. And lastly, his own "website" , which is more like a few web "pages", is little more than audio cheese cake shots with little to no useful information.
So, with all of that and then some in mind, I do not feel nor am I going to jump through hoops in dealing with this guy. I'm the one with the money that he wants. I don't have to figure out a way shmooze this guy or have "foreplay" with him or any of the other ridiculous shit that people have suggested.
He is attempting to break into a HIGHLY competitive business, what I call the prestige market. I understand EXACTLY what he wants and is trying to do. I know of the target demographic of which he dreams.
And you know what? All of you are correct, 100%. Greg Roberts can do or tell whatever the hell it is he wants to. But you know what else? Until he learns how to SELL his product he's going to be gone in about 5 minutes and that's a fact. Companies like B&W for example that know how to market to today's "prestige market" will squash him like a bug. The business model that Roberts wants pretty much evaporated after the dot com bubble burst. So unless Fabio and all of his entourage and others like him all decide that Volti Audio is the way to go his ass better wake up. And it will make NO difference how good his speakers sound, none.
Whether Greg the "artist" likes it or not, selling is part of it, IF he wants to survive and be successful. He made a comment that not enough folks were still listening to and upgrading their K-Horns so he moved into making the new ones full time. How long does he think it will be before his "target" market that asks no questions is saturated? It's not rocket science.
When there is a zero proprietary component to his drivers and nothing that cannot be determined with a screw driver (and access to a sample, that's the big hurdle) beside the fact that as others have already pointed out, some of the information is already being circulated, not answering such a simple inquiry from who, for all he knows, is a prospective QUALIFIED buyer (Greg probably likes to call them "clients") is SUSPECT. Plain and simple. Period. The End.
He has deferred the "technical" things to others, maybe he needs to do the same with the sales and marketing of his fledgling enterprise.
Enough time wasted on this bull shit. Now that I know there is no way I am dealing with this guy I really don't care anymore what drivers he uses.
Me and SVollmer and a number of other folks have heard the speakers at Audio Festivals, speaker shows,
whatever you want to call them. They sounded nice in that enviroment.
I suspect there are sales generated through that medium. Don't know or care how many,
but for a small business, he may not need to sell a lot of them to keep busy.
If you don't like them, don't buy them - its an easy mantra to remember ...
At least during the original stuff I saw from him, his main business is/was custom homes
and the speaker refurbs and custom designs was a hobby.
Why anyone thinks he needs to get approval from anyone in this forum I'll never know.
This whole thread started weird and went off the rails quickly ...
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