Okay, if you have about $3,000 for a pair of speakers but you can't buy JBL, what would you buy? Here's my list:
1. Klipschorn (or Belle Klipsch or La Scala)
2. Altec A7 VOTT (or perhaps Model 19)
3. Yamaha NS 1000
Okay, if you have about $3,000 for a pair of speakers but you can't buy JBL, what would you buy? Here's my list:
1. Klipschorn (or Belle Klipsch or La Scala)
2. Altec A7 VOTT (or perhaps Model 19)
3. Yamaha NS 1000
You can't buy JBL, can't find JBLs . . . or don't want JBLs? Or just curious?Originally Posted by bill8888
I wouldn't think you'd have to spend anywhere near that much money for any of your choices above. About $3000 could put you in to some 44xx 4-ways which should pretty much blow away all of the above. Worked for me!
I know you know better!
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
who's kidding who...
Who doesn't know what?
We were here when BMWCCA found those KenRick 4345 clone speakers up north,
drove up to get 'em, muscled them into his van in deep snow and hauled them home ...
That that is, is.
2ch: WiiM Pro; Topping E30 II DAC; Oppo, Acurus RL-11, Acurus A200, JBL Dynamics Project - Offline: L212-TwinStack, VonSchweikert VR-4
7: TIVO, Oppo BDP103D, B&K, 2pr UREI 809A, TF600, JBL B460
Audio Kinesis and Gedlee would be high on my list, as would BD designs, Sanders sound, Tannoy, Maggies, and others. There's a lot of good speakers out there, and I'd have to choose carefully. FWIW, though, I do use JBL components, not JBL complete systems, so better proxies might be B&C, TAD, 18sound, Radian.
And that was five-years ago to the day when you wrote the above. I remember it well since it was how I spent my birthday! Still the best present I ever gave myself.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
Odd parameters...
I have owned Klipschorns, La Scalas, DIY Belles, and have heard A-7s a fair amount years ago. I've never heard the Yamahas... so I can't say anything about them.
All of the speakers other than the Yamahas are very high sensitivity speakers. Is this the direction you are interested in? I realize you are not interested in JBLs and there are few JBLs this sensitive, but there are few speakers from others this sensitive either.
Of all of those high sensitivity speakers, I guess I would go with the Model 19s.
If I was looking for any secondhand speakers in that price range, I'd probably look at older Kef or B&W speakers, but these are about as far away from the Klipsch and Altecs you mentioned as is possible.
Widget
I bet you could get a decent pair of vintage Tannoy speakers for that kind of money. If thats you cup of tea?
/Mostly
I'm already starting to go with IMF transmissiion line speakers. I've always been intrigued to try a transmission line with a good JBL woofer and see where it would lead.
When faced with another JBL find, Good mech986 says
, JBL Fan mech986 says
Remember this thread?: http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...BL-L300-Summit
Looks appropriate to this discussion, particularly since I believe the OP has L300s.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
Tannoy.
If I did not have JBL
I think at I will go for TAD, B&W or Quad ESL
I own Yamaha NS-1000 (stored safely in the garage, for now - not right for the house), NS-5 (the studio monitor version, used in my bedroom every night), and NS-15 (also stored, safely). All of which are incredibly detailed and extremely flat sounding, acoustic suspension speaker systems, however, also extremely inefficient as far as amp power requirements. I like them with highly compressed music, like typical modern rock (please, forget MP3 - not a reasonable source), but with old, well recorded jazz, early rock or live classical, they sound a little constrained and kind of blow, compared to my puny JBLs.
I no longer own large JBL monitors (long story), but I can remember how I felt listening to them, being engaging with all of my music.
I do own JBl 4301b, 4312, and multiples of other JBL Pro, other older Pro Audio stage things I have brought into the house for a time, some DIY using components from the 60s and 70s. They are all very dynamic, very efficient and engaging, but not so flat as the vintage Yamaha studio equipment.
I would prefer the dynamics of the 4312s over any of the Yamahas and the 4301bs as a close second for just pure musicality and shear listening pleasure when exploring the less compressed "older" recordings no matter the genre. Of course neither of those can touch the power of the NS-1000s, but I can sit within two feet of the 4301bs and have a full and amazing sound stage.
To me it is almost like a trade off; do I want really "perfectly flat, detailed" representation of my music or would I prefer extremely detailed, very dynamic, hard hitting and possibly not as purely "flat" sounding music, but a particular style of representation that sounds more LIVE than canned.
Now, I have to admit to another personal preference, as far as movie sound goes - just to keep things fair - recently discovered. I "custom built" Cabaret style cabinets to fit in my available space in my movie room. I am still working over the XOs (mostly there!) but as far as using something "DYNAMIC" and ass kicking for movie watching in my 16 by 22, vaulted ceiling movie room - yeah!.
These are going to be hard to beat! (15, horns, 2405s L&R front with 2-10s, horn, dual 2405s for center, 10s, 2405s rear surround) I am not talking about creating a Hi-FI system for music, but for movies - I am talking about shear gut feel and purity of tone over a wide range of many many different movie mixes. Very pleased with how my movies sound!
And honestly, if I just want to make the floor shake with classic rock, my movie system does OK! With certain recordings, it sounds like there is a live band in the house. I love it!
A great deal of first hand history with live bands to call upon has made me a little difficult to please regarding recorded sound.
I have only owned Tannoy woofers. So as far as commenting on a system, it would be impossible. The Tannoy 15"ers were well detailed at moderate volume.
I'm pretty fond of NHT. I've owned Super Zeros for 15 years or so and love them to death. I've been on the hunt for the NHT 3.3 now for about a year. Shipping is the killer for me as I live in Alaska. I have a seller lined up waiting for me to amass the requisite cash, but as I get close something always seems to suck it away. Last month, $500 to fix the truck that gets me around every day.
This month, a pair of NHT 2.5 for the vacation house in California set me back another $300. But they do not disappoint!
I control the treble.
I control the bass.
Happy New Year All......
Would be a little more than $3000.00 dollars...........
Old day picks and grew up with some of these.
Of course Altec Vott
But some more greats.....
Electrovoice Partrician
KLH model nine
Quad ESL
Bozak B-4000
Todays choices
Tannoy Kingdom Royal / Prestige Series
Quad 2905/2911 ESL
PMC MB2 XBD SE
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