Sub for Everest DD66000.

[Brian DK]

I am thinking of buying a subwoofer for my Everest DD66000.
I think Array 1500, or perhaps a DIY project with a 18 "2242H from S1S-EX in a small cabinet in the style of array enclosure.
I have no room for S1S-EX, but can just clear an Array 1500 Sub size.

What do you guys think will be the best match for my Everest?
And will the 18" 2242H play ok, in a smaller enclosure?
The 2242H has unlike Array somewhat higher sensitivity, similar to Everest.
What would you do?

Brian Dk

[pos]

You have to check sensibility in the target range, not in the midrange of the driver, and you will see the 2242 is likely no higher than the sub1500 there...

If you want a small sub, you will probably end up with a sealed system, and a motional feedback would then be a good solution to reduce distortion and power compression effects.
Check out Rythmik Audio's offering: their kits are not too expensive (albeit shipping to europe make them less of a bargain...), and motional feedback seems to do wonders!

You will probably need several subs to match your expectations (let alone match the D66000 SPL/dynamic potential...) both in terms of SPL and room mode compensation.

[4313B]

You might want to look at the Revel Rythym2 subwoofer.

[BMWCCA]

Just curious but I'm assuming this is for home theater use?

Probably more here than just me are pondering why a DD6600 would ever need a sub for two-channel music listening.
It pretty much boggles my mind.

[Mr. Widget]

Probably more here than just me are pondering why a DD6600 would ever need a sub for two-channel music listening.
It pretty much boggles my mind.

I guess it depends on your room to some extent but mostly the music you listen to. For '70s rock or vintage Jazz... there is no bass below about 40Hz and a sub isn't a consideration... however there are numerous classical recordings and modern pieces of music with very deep bass. The DD66000 as designed does not reproduce subterranean bass. It simply wasn't designed to do it. I don't often miss that, in fact if I play "Thank You" from Boz Scaggs' Dig Album the room pressurizes from the "deep" bass. You would say adding a sub is ridiculous, however I have a number of tracks that have very low frequency content... these would benefit from a true sub.

Back to the original poster. I have considered this myself. I would go the 1500 Array or the Revel Rhythm2 route. I definitely would not use a 2242. I have build subs with them... I don't think the have the extension or refinement necessary. I actually bought a Revel 12" baby brother to the Rhythm2 that I'll be trying out. In my room I don't have space to hide the 1500 Array or the massive Rhythem2 sub. As long as SPLs are reasonable the small 12" sub should be fine. As suggested by Mr. BWM... the need is minimal. I will give it a whirl, but I haven't had time to hook it up and balance it into my system.


Widget

[BMWCCA]

Thanks for that thoughtful explanation.

I can't imagine needing to augment the LF response on my 4345 and hold the DD6600 in awe, though I've never heard them.

[Fort Knox]

I guess it depends on your room to some extent but mostly the music you listen to. For '70s rock or vintage Jazz... there is no bass below about 40Hz and a sub isn't a consideration...

Widget

I read that magnetic tape looses it s/n ratio min/hours after recording......
Days later it's worse....bass suffered because of it ....I guess..

[lpd]

I guess it depends on your room to some extent but mostly the music you listen to. For '70s rock or vintage Jazz... there is no bass below about 40Hz and a sub isn't a consideration... however there are numerous classical recordings and modern pieces of music with very deep bass. The DD66000 as designed does not reproduce subterranean bass. It simply wasn't designed to do it. I don't often miss that, in fact if I play "Thank You" from Boz Scaggs' Dig Album the room pressurizes from the "deep" bass. You would say adding a sub is ridiculous, however I have a number of tracks that have very low frequency content... these would benefit from a true sub.

Back to the original poster. I have considered this myself. I would go the 1500 Array or the Revel Rhythm2 route. I definitely would not use a 2242. I have build subs with them... I don't think the have the extension or refinement necessary. I actually bought a Revel 12" baby brother to the Rhythm2 that I'll be trying out. In my room I don't have space to hide the 1500 Array or the massive Rhythem2 sub. As long as SPLs are reasonable the small 12" sub should be fine. As suggested by Mr. BWM... the need is minimal. I will give it a whirl, but I haven't had time to hook it up and balance it into my system.


Widget

Thanks To You certainly has very low content for testing sub bass!!! Great album.

[Fort Knox]

Just curious but I'm assuming this is for home theater use?

Probably more here than just me are pondering why a DD6600 would ever need a sub for two-channel music listening.
It pretty much boggles my mind.

Because you have to go back to basics...
two bass sources... tend to cancel one another
a sub ...(w/dedicated freqs) won't

[Lee in Montreal]

THis early Spring, I built an 11cft 2245-based sub and am very happy with it. The sub bass is very musical and not a one note hit. The sub works from 20Hz to 50Hz to complement a 2-way 2226/2360 system. I am very pleased after 6 months. The cabinet has since been dyed tangerine on the sides, and satin black on the front panel, to better integrate with the other cabinets. I am a firm believer that there'S no substitute for a large enclosure to get an easy breathy deep bass... Can't beat the laws of physic. ;-)

[hlaari]

I think at the 15" W1500H in 1500Array are much better than 2242H for sub in home audio system
the only 18" driver I am interested to try for sub is 2269G/H

of course you can also go for the new 18" Revel sub
this sub is build with same magnet and basket like 2269 with different cone

[Fort Knox]

I think at the 15" W1500H in 1500Array are much better than 2242H for sub in home audio system
the only 18" driver I am interested to try for sub is 2269G/H

of course you can also go for the new 18" Revel sub
this sub is build with same magnet and basket like 2269 with different cone

This thread has been good for me
I revisited my sub...Eq'g it flat to 20hz
than turned the thing (subamp) ..off ..then brought... it in slow..
bass/transparency seem to be the TRADE OFF
then..... turn off all the mains...to listen for the sub
NO Sub...then it occured to me I was feeling/not hearing........
a live TV hookup w/no sub filter was used as test source..

[ivica]

I am thinking of buying a subwoofer for my Everest DD66000.
I think Array 1500, or perhaps a DIY project with a 18 "2242H from S1S-EX in a small cabinet in the style of array enclosure.
I have no room for S1S-EX, but can just clear an Array 1500 Sub size.

What do you guys think will be the best match for my Everest?
And will the 18" 2242H play ok, in a smaller enclosure?
The 2242H has unlike Array somewhat higher sensitivity, similar to Everest.
What would you do?

Brian Dk

Hi Brain Dk,

I have no experience with DD66000, but from my point of view two sub-woofer boxes with TWO 2242H in each box seems to give You
-3dB at around 28Hz, if each driver-box is tuned at around 28Hz, due to the drivers mutual coupling.
So totally 4 pieces of 2242 and two boxes of around 500Lit each without the equalization .

Regards
Ivica