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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
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    Between the 1400 Array and the Revel, I would and did pick the the Array. The Revel is excellent, but I find it boring...
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    The focus of the Revel is not. There is a severe, smeared time delay in the mid-high transition. For a system that is $22K+, that is simply unacceptable. They should take some money out of the cabinet's finish and apply it to the acoustics/mechanics/time alignment.

    There is a new model at the similar price point at another 3 initial competitor that simply blows it away.
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    There is a severe, smeared time delay in the mid-high transition


    severe
    come on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_72 View Post
    Did Timbers design the S4700s too?
    Yep. That's why it sounds good.

    Way better than the sum of its parts? - I've heard some people having "problems" with JBL using lower tier drivers in a $20k per pair system... Of course they haven't had any actual face time with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    Yep. That's why it sounds good.

    Way better than the sum of its parts? - I've heard some people having "problems" with JBL using lower tier drivers in a $20k per pair system... Of course they haven't had any actual face time with it.
    Cool, thanks. Yeah...if it had similar or exact drivers as the K2, then the price would be higher, I suppose. So far, they're sounding good...better and better each day. Dynamic range and frequency response has expanded for one thing. When first set up they were pretty dull and "shouty" sounding. I didn't freak out about it though, I remained cool and patient. So, I'll continue to wait it out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    There is a severe, smeared time delay in the mid-high transition


    severe
    come on
    Compared to the reference? Yes...it was clearly audible. I quizzed my wife about what she heard...and concurred.
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    Compared to the reference?
    What systems are you talking about, comparing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robh3606 View Post
    What systems are you talking about, comparing??

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    JBL K2 and TAD Reference One. TAD now has a downsized less expensive Evo One based on the Reference One at $24k/pair retail.

    Geometry/crossover selection/topography in the critical midband makes a big difference with respect to resolution and imaging.

    Now...with that said...I'm simply giving my listening impression. YMMV.
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    So you had a chance to hear de Revel Salons and the TAD evolution one side by side same room and program

    and you and your wife percived a severe, smeared time delay in the mid-high transition.

    While the dual concentric driver is certanly a difrent aproach with certian advantages and spectral signature (type dispersion) the Revel Salons do not have a severe mid high integration problem. simply a difrent spectral signature

    my 2 hz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    So you had a chance to hear de Revel Salons and the TAD evolution one side by side same room and program

    and you and your wife percived a severe, smeared time delay in the mid-high transition.

    While the dual concentric driver is certanly a difrent aproach with certian advantages and spectral signature (type dispersion) the Revel Salons do not have a severe mid high integration problem. simply a difrent spectral signature

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    A "different spectral signature" is clearly an example of time smearing and differential in imaging. We heard the K2 and the Revel within 5 minutes of each other in Harman's demo facility at CES. The K2 won hands down. TAD has been best in my ears for the last decade. One of the finest bargains in audio in terms of soundstage and image have been the Thiel CS3.7...RIP Jim Thiel. Great products and engineering.

    The design of the Revel is cause for some...what I perceived as... secondary reflections off the lower drive units' cones...especially when seated at lower than mid-tweeter level. Neither the K2 nor the TAD had this same "character". It was bothersome and very distracting. Sorry...they just don't agree with me and my perception of what great speakers do.
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    Thanks Edge

    I was having trouble following the conversation.

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    I constantly hear the K2 9900 and the ultima Studio and Gem Speakers

    and have alsow heard them at harman

    i simply dont agree with your perseption

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    Well Revel might make "truly the World's Finest Loudspeakers" but at least they have the right loudspeakers shown on their website.

    http://www.harmanluxuryaudio.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
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    I constantly hear the K2 9900 and the ultima Studio and Gem Speakers

    and have alsow heard them at harman

    i simply dont agree with your perseption
    I have heard all of these speakers quite a lot myself, and while I might think the TAD is probably better, I can't say so as definitively as Edge. I haven't had the opportunity to hear the TADs under my own control. Andrew Jones always puts on a fabulous demonstration and the TADs always sound fabulous, but if I could trade my Everests across the table for the TADs, I am not 100% certain that I would prefer them. I probably would, but I can't be certain. The TADs are also far more expensive that any of these others. I haven't heard the lesser priced TADs so I couldn't comment on them.

    As for time smearing? Your ears are far more advanced than mine. I certainly can't pinpoint that as a problem.


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    We all have opinions on all sorts of stuff....including speakers. There is no definitive answer for everyone.

    Yeah...The TADs cost a boatload o' cash....and so do the Everests...and so do the Revels...and so do the new TAD Evo One.

    Audio is a funny industry...and getting funnier all the time. How many people here would not flinch at droppping $25k, $50k, $75k, $100k on speakers..let alone $200k-$300k on an audio system?

    Not too many, I bet.
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    Flinch?? I would have a freaking heart attack!!

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