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    I wonder how much these will go for:

    JBL E145 Pair In Perfect Working Condition

    21 Bids $212.50 Time left: 2d 11h 49m
    Winning bid: US $435.00 [ 26 bids ]
    Shipping: $70.00 UPS Ground

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    Winning bid: US $435.00 [ 26 bids ]
    Shipping: $70.00 UPS Ground
    Ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    SAM1HF over the low frequency transducer of your choice. If you are going to use subs then you might consider the 2206H as the midbass driver. They are supposed to be readily available and at 95 dB they are up in the efficiency range of the larger JBL Studio Monitors. I think the SAM1HF's and 2206H's retail out around $6,000 a pair.

    It's a tough call between the 4345 and 1400 Array. The 1400 Array top end is obviously better but there is no way an LE14H can supplant a 2245H and 2122H. I guess given that the 4345 is roughly half to one-third the price it would be the better bet. Plus it arguably has an actual resale value if one cares about such things. But then there is that big huge ten cubic foot box. Yep, tough call.

    Just one more reason to admire the Everest II and its ten cubic foot box I guess.
    E2 is too good to be true,too big to put in,too expensive to take home.
    And besides S3100MK2(used 30KRMB),4344(used 38KRMB)4344mk2(used 40KRMB),,4345(used 52KRMB),1400(new 49KRMB),there is another option:4365(new 60KRMB)

    which one is more valuble?
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    Not if they are what you want. A couple hundred dollars less than a brand new pair of LE14H-3's or LE14H-4's. I use the term "brand new" rather loosely here because they very well could show up looking quite used once they are shipped from Harman.

    Harman has no mechanism for shipping most raw drivers appropriately like JBL did in times past. Obviously raw drivers like the 1500AL or 2206H come in their pretty print boxes but they are considered finished goods from JBL Professional. In the good old days JBL considered every single driver a finished good (and they didn't source alot of their drivers from OEM manufacturers either, they made everything themselves).

    And then little things started to happen. Drivers bolted into boxes had their part numbers spray painted on them instead of getting the nice little foilcals. You know, supremely irritating little shenanigans like that... little clues that all is not well in Camelot.
    E2 is too good to be true,too big to put in,too expensive to take home.
    And besides S3100MK2(used 30KRMB),4344(used 38KRMB)4344mk2(used 40KRMB),,4345(used 52KRMB),1400(new 49KRMB),there is another option:4365(new 60KRMB)

    which one is more valuble?
    I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    Not if they are what you want. A couple hundred dollars less than a brand new pair of LE14H-3's or LE14H-4's. I use the term "brand new" rather loosely here because they very well could show up looking quite used once they are shipped from Harman.
    Or you could get very lucky and have Harman blow out a bunch of PS1400s at $303 each shipped. The LE14H-3 drivers, when bolted inside rigid cabinets, come through pretty well, but it's a darn big box just to get a clean driver. Then you've got to get rid of the cabinet, the 400W amp, the grill, and all the extra mounting hardware, or store it and consider it a gift for future use.

    (I'm keeping my extras for now, if anyone is thinking of asking.)
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    The Array horns are pretty killer. It is probably quite fortuitous that someone made the decision to also use them in the SAM1HF, still pretty pricey, but at half the cost of a 1400 Array they have considerable potential, especially mated up with any of the other legacy JBL transducers people seem to have piles of laying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caladois View Post
    If sometime LH offer a group order of 1501fe, I am your man for a pair !
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffW View Post
    My go to girl at Harman is Jamie. Call 1-800-336-4525, negotiate the menu until you get to "buy parts", tell the first operator you have an issue and want to speak to Jamie.
    Call Harman and try and order yourself a pair? The part number is 443974-001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    The Array horns are pretty killer. It is probably quite fortuitous that someone made the decision to also use them in the SAM1HF, still pretty pricey, but at half the cost of a 1400 Array they have considerable potential, especially mated up with any of the other legacy JBL transducers people seem to have piles of laying around.
    JBL seems to have developed some killing combo,such as 435Al+045Ti(k2s5800 9800SE(435Be+045Be)1400,4338,4348,4700,4800),175Nd +138Nd(4429,4600)
    I also found an very interesting things,i think that 4425,4344,S143,S3100 are JBL most popular productions,
    because after years, they have 4425mk2,4344mk2,S143mk2,S3100mk2
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B View Post
    The Array horns are pretty killer. It is probably quite fortuitous that someone made the decision to also use them in the SAM1HF, still pretty pricey, but at half the cost of a 1400 Array they have considerable potential, especially mated up with any of the other legacy JBL transducers people seem to have piles of laying around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    Christmas may have come early for a lucky individual or two:

    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...395#post333395


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    Wow - I could get rid of that cheesey Walnut smith horn/2405 mid-high combo
    and get a SamIAM to go with my 2234s ... better biamp it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Wow - I could get rid of that cheesey Walnut smith horn/2405 mid-high combo
    and get a SamIAM to go with my 2234s ... better biamp it!

    I have heard them on top of some 2235's, Very nice!
    Always fun learning more.......

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    Could anyone suggest some suitable woofers that are actually able to be bought new that would be suitable for use with SAM1s.
    Thanks Mike

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    On harmanaudio right now are S3S 12 inch passive woofers for only 240 each. You need an amplifier and crossover though.

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    You could also buy 2 PS1400's from Harman and.........See above
    Always fun learning more.......

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    How come SAM1HF units aren't used flipped over with the tweeter in the middle instead of on top?

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