Forum Problems

[johnaec]

Is it just me or are others also having issues with forum pages loading? It often stops loading about halfway through and I'll have to hit the refresh button several times before a page will finally load. I'm on a 3meg DSL connection and all the other sites I visit are fine. This has been happening for a few days, but is really bad today, Sunday, 9/19/04.

Also - there's a strange anomoly at this site in that as you mark threads as "read", then click on a link in a message to an outside site, all the "read" marks are discarded and all new messages you previously marked as "read" are marked as "new" again. Is anyone else seeing this? This isn't new for me - it's always been this way here, but it's frustrating...

John

[Figge]

hi john!

this happens to me too from time to time! i dunno whats causing it?? it could be that the 80386 SX16 server CPU needs a math-prossesor.

however i dont find it too irritating. i just wait a while and try again. it usually works.

[boputnam]

Hey, John...

I've noticed the former, and have at those times pm'd John Nebel, who (typically) reports things are nominal at the helm - he attributes it to network traffic more local (for you and me... ). Only a few times has it related to clients somewhere initiating new servers and not installing all the MS service packs and getting whacked. They seem to learn, one-by-one.

I've not noticed the latter.

Maybe John will pitch-up here and open the curtain...

[johnaec]

It's still really bad for me today, but only this site...I just had to refresh twice to get this far - 'big wait.

Joh

[Alex Lancaster]

I have a 1 Meg cable connexion, and it is slow today.

[John Nebel]

I don't see any problems. Since it works for me, it is not Apollo, but external. How about posting a traceroute (Unix) or tracert (Windows)? One from each of you would be good.

In doing traceroutes out from here to a few addresses in the log, I'm amazed at the far east browers to the web site.

There are 5000 log entries the last 2 hours so to go back and search for Alex IP address would take a while.

For vBulletin, the below is someone on cox.net.

The cox.net user looked at 12:16 MDT at:

68.227.231.169 - - [19/Sep/2004:12:16:54 -0600] "GET /vbulletin/images/prev.gif
HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&post
id=29311" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Geck
o/20040804 Netscape/7.2"

and the traceroute to them is:

Apollo # traceroute 68.227.231.169
traceroute to ip68-227-231-169.ph.ph.cox.net (68.227.231.169): 1-30 hops, 38 byt
e packets
1 charon.csdco.com (198.80.11.2) 0.976 ms 0.0 ms 0.977 ms
2 157.130.160.61 (157.130.160.61) 2.92 ms 2.93 ms 2.93 ms
3 175.at-6-0-0.CL1.DEN4.ALTER.NET (152.63.93.210) 2.93 ms (ttl=252!) 2.93 ms
(ttl=252!) 2.92 ms (ttl=252!)
4 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.SLT4.ALTER.NET (152.63.9.70) 12.6 ms (ttl=251!) 13.6 ms (tt
l=251!) 12.6 ms (ttl=251!)
5 0.so-4-1-0.TL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.1.25) 28.3 ms (ttl=250!) 28.3 ms (tt
l=250!) 28.3 ms (ttl=250!)
6 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.48.90) 28.3 ms (ttl=249!) 28.3 ms (t
tl=249!) 29.2 ms (ttl=249!)
7 0.so-5-0-0.BR1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.57.45) 28.3 ms (ttl=248!) 29.2 ms (t
tl=248!) 29.2 ms (ttl=248!)
8 204.255.173.42 (204.255.173.42) 33.2 ms (ttl=247!) 29.2 ms (ttl=247!) 28.
3 ms (ttl=247!)
9 so-1-2-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net (209.244.3.137) 30.2 ms (ttl=246!) 29.2
ms (ttl=246!) 29.2 ms (ttl=246!)
10 so-0-1-0.mp1.Phoenix1.Level3.net (64.159.1.121) 47.8 ms (ttl=245!) 46.8 ms
(ttl=245!) 47.8 ms (ttl=245!)
11 so-10-0.hsa1.Phoenix1.Level3.net (4.68.113.242) 46.8 ms 47.8 ms 47.8 ms
12 COX-ENTERPRI.hsa1.Level3.net (64.154.128.30) 48.8 ms 48.8 ms 48.8 ms
13 chnddsrc01-pos0201.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.171) 47.8 ms 47.8 ms 48.8 ms
14 68.2.14.18 (68.2.14.18) 47.8 ms 48.8 ms 48.8 ms
15 ip68-2-0-65.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.0.65) 49.8 ms 48.8 ms 49.8 ms
16 ip68-2-0-57.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.0.57) 49.8 ms 50.7 ms 49.8 ms
17 mcdlcmtb00-gew1400.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.11.66) 49.8 ms 50.7 ms 49.8 ms
18 ip68-227-231-169.ph.ph.cox.net (68.227.231.169) 62.5 ms 61.5 ms 61.5 ms

62ms is fine - that is round trip

[Wardsweb]

You might try going into your user profile under options and turn "browse with cookies" off.

[johnaec]

Originally posted by Wardsweb
You might try going into your user profile under options and turn "browse with cookies" off.

That's making no difference.

I've watched a little closer, and if I just wait, (no refresh), what happens is that about half a page/thread will load, then it just hangs. With a network monitor it shows 0kb transfer rate while it's hung. Then, after about 10 seconds, the rest of the thread will blast in, with a big spike in the transfer rate. I also did a tracert and got no significant delays.

It's like I get right to the site, but then once a request is made for data, it finds the data source right away, then receives no signal back for about 10 seconds. It's been doing this all day, but ONLY at this site. Other forums I visit with lots more threads and messages have no delays at all. But like I said - tracert shows no problems.



John

[Alex Lancaster]

Right now, it is nice and quick like before.

[johnaec]

It's still hanging up a lot for me, but only this site. I've cleared all my Internet caches, cookies, etc. - there must be something flakey along the route somewhere...

John

[John Nebel]

Taking Alex and John's posts together points to an Internet problem.

FYI: Apollo's cpu's average 90% idle and AH presents an insignificant load.

Lots of things can go wrong, so pls let me know when something seems broken.

John

PS

(1) vBulletin does use a few cookies but they are pretty light weight.

(2) I am wondering about the user running reports with MySQL - it is possible, I suppose to jam it some way, but that is not meant to happen.

[Wardsweb]

I've never had a problem with this site. Think maybe it's a hub between you and this server?

[johnaec]

It's very weird and I can narrow it down a little. I can get right to the site and right into the forums, but then, say there's a thread with the "new" marker on it, and I click to open that thread. That's where I see it open up and the first 2 or 3 messages pop right up, but then it hangs for about 10 seconds, with no activity at all. Then all of a sudden the reast of the messages in the thread pop up. So I read the new messages in that thread, then hit the forum title at the top to go back and read the new messages in the next thread. It hangs again for about 10 seconds, (going back to the top), then suddenly pops up. The same sequence hapens for any threads I look at.

It's only been really doing this bad today, but it's very consistent, and only at this site. If it continues, perhaps something has gotten corrupted in my user profile. If it hasn't changed in a day or two, maybe I'll try registering a new username to see if it makes a difference.

John

[Wardsweb]

Sounds more like sever issues with mutliple connections not timing out soon enough. Most likely wouldn't hurt to run the repair/optimization script on the MySQL database.

Don you reading this?

[John Nebel]

WW,

Pls read back through the thread. I did spend a couple of hours looking at this today.

Look at the I/O - the disks have a sustained capacity of around 50,000. Also look at the cpu idle.

Apollo # iostat dsk15 dsk16 5

....tty..........dsk15..........dsk16..........cpu
tin..tout....bps....tps.....bps....tps....us.ni.sy ..id
..0....42.....85......5......10.......1.....4..1.. 5.90



John