1.5" shootout

[Mr. Widget]

Ah, but I'd heard they were eye-wateringly pricey whereas a labour of love could take me till summer to finish and keep me out of the pub

Frank

Between a few pub visits and making horns, I'll take the pub.


Widget

[jerry_rig]

I love my repros, but I wonder how well they'd work with non TD-4003 drivers. On second thought, after spending the time & money, why would you want to use something less? Note: I am open to the idea that something could be better.

[pos]

Hi Thomas, do I take it then that you are not planning to use the 9800 clones?
If so let me know.....

Those detail(extraordinary resolution-I know;-) observations are very apparent with the 2452/be too-Dusty Springfield, Etta James and Dionne Warwick have this habit.
Could the difference be due to the slight imperfections observed with the clone H9800 throats?-I'm just guessing here.

Shame we cant get hold of the TAD TH-4003 plansTH-4003 - | Pioneer Electronics USA

Frank

Hi Frank

I am not sure yet which horn I will keep: H9800 or PT, maybe both, maybe none of them (and yes, Mr Widgets's TH4003 clones are still in a corner of my mind ), but as we already discussed rest assured you will be the first person informed if ever I sell the H9800.

As for the imperfection in the throat, it has been corrected: I sawed the extension and replaced the mounting plate with a very fine one from Guido.

[Heliac]

Lifting old thread, hope its ok.

I have 2450sl and 2332 for a coming speaker project. My intention is to use them without a tweeter on top. Now its up for sale H9800 horns, and thats not often here i Sweden. Any opinions in running them and 2450sl without top tweeter?

[ivica]

Lifting old thread, hope its ok.

I have 2450sl and 2332 for a coming speaker project. My intention is to use them without a tweeter on top. Now its up for sale H9800 horns, and thats not often here i Sweden. Any opinions in running them and 2450sl without top tweeter?

Hi Heliac,

May be these measurements can give You some help.

regards
ivica

[Heliac]

I have seen that measurement in another thread

I have listened to 2332 in DMS-1, with the eq settings off course. And that was satisfying. Will the h9800 sound something like that with eq tweak together with 2450sl?

[pos]

In my experience it will sound much better

[Heliac]

In my experience it will sound much better

Ok

Can i skip the tweeter if i give them some eq you think?

[cooky1257]

Ok

Can i skip the tweeter if i give them some eq you think?

I do(2452/be/h9800). Don't push them past 15k-let them roll off gracefully.

[johanwholst]

Both a friend and myself uses 2450sl-be in a PT horn in a 4way set up without a tweeter and do not really miss anything.
In my opinion four way system is complicated enough and the challenges of integrating a tweeter would outweigh the advantages. I let it roll gently off at 16k, but eqed flat from 1800. gives me all the zing I need

[pos]

The Ti SL diaphragm easily and smoothly extends to 20kHz with only moderate EQ, more so than the normal Ti (you really don't want to hear what these produce above 10kHz...) or Be (needs more EQ above 10kHz).
If you like what you hear on the 2332 you should be pleased with the H9800, and you will also be able to cross it lower.
And then you will also be able to experiment the vertical horn thingy

[ivica]

Ok

Can i skip the tweeter if i give them some eq you think?

Hi,

I only wonder what would happen with the horizontal off-axis dispersion over 12kHz

Ivica

[pos]

Another advantage of the vertical horn disposition

[Heliac]

Are you talking about having the horns standing up?

edit: Where did that red angry face come from????

[pos]

Yes, like in the array 1400, or in Greg Timber's DIY array system.