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    Best 12" mids for PA

    HI

    Just getting a sound system together. We have:

    2x 18" 2241 600w subs
    1x 2445 CP driver 150w
    Per side

    We're looking for a good 2x 12" cab for mids 80-4000 range. Any suggestions for the right JBL 12" for mids. I have a 2x12" cabinet design with a 14º toe out angle.

    Any thoughts.

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    12" JBL speakera that are good for PA

    About the only ones that will stand up are the JBL guitar speakers, D120F, K120 or E120.
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    2202 is a good 12" mid
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    Quote Originally Posted by edgewound View Post
    2202 is a good 12" mid
    It was purpose designed for that, but not up to 4KHz... then again with a 2445 per side, why would you want any 12" to try to make it up to 4KHz?

    Actually it will be down a bit at 80Hz as well, but a nudge of EQ would remedy that.


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    I am myself currently contemplating adding a 12" 2202/04/06 for the 100Hz-500Hz range. I too have a 2445 on a 2350 horn with a 2405 on top. BTW I don't think the 2445 can go any higher than 10Khz without some serious Eq.

    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...0&d=1282271852

    I am even also contemplating using a 15" 2225 instead of a 12" driver as I have a couple units not being used. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    It was purpose designed for that, but not up to 4KHz... then again with a 2445 per side, why would you want any 12" to try to make it up to 4KHz?

    Actually it will be down a bit at 80Hz as well, but a nudge of EQ would remedy that.


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    http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/2202.pdf

    Usable frequency range of the 2202 is 60-4000Hz...120-3000Hz +/- 2 dB.

    One could cross the 2445 at 1500-2000Hz and extend it's high-end reach, significantly reduce it's ear fatigue and greatly extend is power handling and life span.

    The 2241 sounds great for live SR crossed at 150 or so. Really fills in the upper bass region with a nice fatness.
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    What about the 2206?

    I have 2206's, 2202H's and E120's and I like the 2206 the best, even though it's classified as a LF speaker.

    IMO I wouldn't crossover a 12 much higher than 1k because of falling off axis response around that frequency. In my experience 12's are typically crossed over at 1200hz for SR.

    I think if you're going to be doing SR you better go out at get some 15's for bass (above the 2241's for subs) before investing in 12's.

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    Thanks - This is PA for outdoors!

    I was thinking 2x12 per side.That's only 200w of mid with the 2202. Wouldn't I need more power to go with the 1200w bass subs? I thought I would need 2x300w or 2x 600w per side, but I'm asking because I don't really know. I have a front facing 2x12 cabinet design with 14º toe out or a 1x12 flared cabinet design. What's the best shot.

    GCT

    Have been using 2x15 Beyma 250w but they're borrowed. Someone suggested 12" for mids so I was checking into it. Is 2x15 a better move?

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    E120's work pretty well but replace the aluminium dome with a paper one. Personally I would go to a 2 x 15 crossed over at 80hz and bring in the 2445's at 800hz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanvh5150 View Post
    E120's work pretty well but replace the aluminium dome with a paper one.
    Mmm back to my original crossover ideas.
    We're talking about the centre dust cover? Is it for weight or does it ring?
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    Another thought. I have a couple of Beyma 12" I could try with the 15". If I crossover 4 way what crossover points are a good starting point?
    GCT

    That would be:
    2241 x 18" x 2 x 600w subs
    Beyma 15" x 2 x 250w lower mids
    Beyma 12" x 1 x 250w hight mids
    2445 x 1 x 150w Top

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanvh5150 View Post
    E120's work pretty well but replace the aluminium dome with a paper one. Personally I would go to a 2 x 15 crossed over at 80hz and bring in the 2445's at 800hz.

    Allan.
    I agree, the 15's really bring up the mid-bass slam. Then you can add some 12's and move the horn up to 1200 hz. May be cross the 12's around 250-350hz? You're going to need to play with an active xo and see what sounds best.

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    Beyma speaker are very good, I have used them as JBL replacements.

    Quote Originally Posted by GCT View Post
    Another thought. I have a couple of Beyma 12" I could try with the 15". If I crossover 4 way what crossover points are a good starting point?
    GCT

    That would be:
    2241 x 18" x 2 x 600w subs
    Beyma 15" x 2 x 250w lower mids
    Beyma 12" x 1 x 250w hight mids
    2445 x 1 x 150w Top
    Beyma makes a 12" guitar speaker that is a replacement for the JBL E120.
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    Thanks. That's all useful stuff to know. I'll know what to look for.

    Would you have that Beyma model number please.

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