Al,Originally Posted by Allanvh5150
Very narrow minded. Do you not think that music sells because people like it?
I know that is a hard concept to grasp....
You must live up one of those beautiful mountains down there with thin air ..... Commercial radio and the top forty are big business . IMHO, art and commerce are diametrically opposed by definitionDo you really measure greatness in terms of $$$$$$ ?
BTW, another opinion , of which I seem to be in great abundance , a timeless classic !
Greatest lyric ever ..
"You're breakin' my heart - You're tearing it apart so fuck you"
another honorable mention , one of my DIDs
Building the Perfect Beast - Don Henley
Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles
OK, another long time Yank cultural observation - The masses are asses.Very narrow minded. Do you not think that music sells because people like it?
I know that is a hard concept to grasp....
These phrases are from the professionals- book and music publishers, record label executives and A & R men. For every Wallace Stevens sale there is a truckload of romance novels with Fabio on the cover.
We don't confuse reality with cultural elitism. We are not Soviet revisionists!
Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom
Too many audiophiles listen with their eyes instead of their ears
Wow - that some serious mass market top40 stuff ...
woo hoo witchy woman
see how high she flies
woo hoo witchy woman
she got the moon in her eyes
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... as our friends overseas have said ...
What a load a shite!
That doesn't make it great, it just means it sold a lot ...
and puts me in mind of the PT Barnum quote ...
"Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public."
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The Beetles? Never heard of them.
"Greatest" is rather a subjective term pretty much determined by individual tastes.
How about "landmark" albums?
Under that subject let me list a couple in Jazz:
Time Out - Dave Brubeck Quartet (and the next three in the "Time" series)
1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert - Benny Goodman (a slight miracle it was recorded)
Speaking of Don ....." Hotel California" has not been mentioned yet !
The best-selling car is normally the Toyota Camry. It does nothing well other than doing nothing horribly. Last month the Nissan Altima beat it for #1 in sales. No one ever called either the "greatest" or "the best" at anything other than selling.
The best-selling vehicle in the USA is the Ford F150 pickup.
Not the best, just the best-selling. There's a big difference.
Or put it this way: MP3 downloads sell better than LPs or Red Book CDs. Certainly that's a comparison anyone here can understand.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
I cant believe that you would compare the best selling car in the world, the one most people can afford, to the best selling album in the world, the one the most people like. Music is pretty much the same price no matter the genre. Music is purchased because people like it. Cars on the otherhand, are purchased because that particular model is the model the masses can afford.I am sure your average Toyota driver would rather be driving something else.
What is your deffinition of "Best"?
Actually it was Michael Jackson's Thriller..........WOW, I have NONE of those , nor any desire to hear them either ....
the best selling US album was "Eagles Greatest Hits" , which I do have.
woo hoo witchy woman
see how high she flies
woo hoo witchy woman
she got the moon in her eyes
.
I have both
Believe it. And you're wrong, simply put.
Remember the old Monty Python piece on "Buying an Argument"?
The Camry isn't the cheapest car available. It is what people buy the most. The prices on a Camry range from $20,000 to $30,000 USD. A Ford F150 ranges from $22,415 to $51,140. There are cheaper Toyotas and there are cheaper Fords, Chevys, Kias, Hyundais, and Hondas. You were the one equating popularity with "greatness", not me. The question wasn't "best" it was "greatest". While those may mean the same thing to many people, nothing about either implies ubiquity or even popularity.
Semantic arguments on the Internet always bring out the worst in everyone. I know what "best" means to me. What does it mean to you? Cheapest? Most common? Most popular? We can define this and we can have opinions on it with respect to albums. It's not like asking "What is the greatest color?"
Blue!
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Well duh.....people buy toyotas because the can. people dont buy a specific album because it fits their price bracket. Look at it another way: The greatest number of albums sold by title, is thriller. Now argue the point on that one.
What IS your point? You seem to keep insisting that the album with with the most sales is "the greatest album ever". If that's what it means for you, then fantastic for you. We certainly don't need this thread anymore. Question asked and answered. QED.
I have no doubt that for many here that's not sufficient criteria. Not all of us are lemmings and I don't believe the OP was simply asking which album sold the most.
Assuming you just missed the point, can I ask if you feel the Toyota Camry is the greatest car ever made? I believe I once heard the top-selling "car" ever is actually the Little Tikes Cozy Coupe. Certainly not the "greatest car" in anyone's mind over about six-years old.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
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How any thread (no matter how innocent) can go "off the rails" / " in the weeds " so fast
How threads end up being arguments to answer a simple question
How these threads get pasted with non-related pictures (now removed)
How much fun it is to see your thread destabilized and spin out of control
I shudder to think of how the outside world reads/sees LHF ...
OBTW...........I am capable of looking up sales figures ... was asking your personal opinion
of which albums are greatest TO YOU ...(as one member is fond of saying ..SHEESH)
Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles
Actually it was Michael Jackson's Thriller..........
I have both
Straight from the RIAA itself:
Top 100 Albums
Level Title Artist Label
29 EAGLES/THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971 - 1975 EAGLES
29 THRILLER JACKSON, MICHAEL EPIC/LEGACY
23 LED ZEPPELIN IV LED ZEPPELIN ATLANTIC
23 THE WALL PINK FLOYD COLUMBIA
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumd...able=tblTop100
Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles
Proud to say I own neither.
A list of top albums that includes Britney Spears should certainly disprove any theory of correlation between sales-numbers and greatness.
Quality not Quantity!
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
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