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Thread: To clone or not to clone? 4344 vs. 4345 vs. XPL-200 Advice will be appreciated.

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    I'm not quite shure why, but it certinely appears I just snatched a set of alnico 2405's. Why would I do such a thing sirs? At this point I still do not know but it might have somthing to do with 4345's.

    I think the xpl's will not be able to find a buyer soon so they might be just sitting and waiting for me. Although I have found a set of ti speakers from the xpl 140's. One mid has mangled diafragm but it does NOT affect the sound as you would imagine.

    So it looks like I will be cloning after all. Winter break is coming soon and I have to have somthing to do.

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    Good luck.
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    Decisions.

    When buying the first drivers for my 4345 clone I thought I knew what I need to search for in terms of midrange transducers. Well it appers I'm just more and more confused with every new information. But at least now I again think I'm on somthing just need that finishing touch from you tech guys. My whole problem surfaced when I discovered the 2123's I can have painfree ar 16ohm...

    Facts are: 2405 and 2245 are rock solid in the picture. I also want the 2307/ h91 horn and 2308 lens. Now down to the questions. Bi amp only seems like the preferred driver blending option. I agree. Make it Bi ampable with an active crossover.

    Now for the passive x-over, comp driver 242X and 212X. The main routes look like this to me:

    1. 3145 crossover, 2425/6j, 2122h
    Pros: Owning a 90%+ original performance copy
    Cons: 2122h - where, for how much and after how long will I be able to get ahold of these

    2. 4344 mk II - 2425/6h, 2123H
    Pros: availability?, newer and higher efficiency design, nearly stock design
    Cons: crossover price

    3. Giskards 3155cc 2445/6(h or j?) 2311/h93 horn 2123h
    Pros: newest driver selection
    Cons: least original design

    I have to say by now options 1. and 2. look like my best shot. First of all I would have to search for a pair of 10" midrange drivers as to me it looks like they the hardest to get ahold of. I'm not trying to be cheap and cut corners anywhere but a set of 2122h's in good shape would most likely cost me around 800-1000usd (shipped) right? While 2123h's will be more like 300-400.

    Could someone please give me a +-100usd estimate on all three crossovers costs?

    Sorry for asking so much questions so far, but I've never yet done a full speaker clone and as it seems this hobby is highly affected by what one can source to put into the cabinets. Add living in a JBL desert to it and problems just multiply all over the place.

    Cheers, Maciek.

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    You should get with Guido. He's on your side of the pond and he knows what's going on.

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    I got my brain pretty much on fire yesterday. After even more thinking my ultimate decision is to take route number 2 with 2425/6h's, 2307's, 2123h's and the 4344 mkII crossover. Well see what Guido thinks about it hopefully.

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