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    1400 Array Question - Calling all Crossover "Gurus" !

    In my 1400 Arrays, I'd like to find out if it's possible to increase the SPL, or volume, of the Horn and Tweeter only, by 3db.

    I believe this could be done WITHOUT changing the crossover points, by changing one or more resistors in the crossover ?

    I've attached a schematic of the crossover below, if anyone can assist ?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Well, if you're "bi-wiring" as the x-over suggests, why don't you just turn the 'bass' amp down by 3dB?
    (... or is it bi-amping still but without an Active x-over???)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Well, if you're "bi-wiring" as the x-over suggests, why don't you just turn the 'bass' amp down by 3dB?
    (... or is it bi-amping still but without an Active x-over???)
    Its bi-amping or bi-wiring but still goes through both passive crossovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audionutz View Post
    Its bi-amping or bi-wiring but still goes through both passive crossovers.
    Well there ya go then.
    Turn the bass amp down.....
    Problem solved

    .... on the other hand, are you sure you have the 1400's the right way round?

    It's just that you're the only person in the whole world that's asked about that 3dB mod which makes me think also that you might only have one ear, and nobody's told you yet.

    Just funnin' ya, 'nutz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Well there ya go then.
    Turn the bass amp down.....
    Problem solved

    .... on the other hand, are you sure you have the 1400's the right way round?

    It's just that you're the only person in the whole world that's asked about that 3dB mod which makes me think also that you might only have one ear, and nobody's told you yet.

    Just funnin' ya, 'nutz!

    Have a look around - you'll see a coupla similar comments from other listeners ........

    But I'll try turning them upside down anyway .....
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    Have you still got that valve thing driving your top end?
    If so, maybe put brighter valves in it.
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    If that's the case, then you're just gonna have to give bi-amping the 'flick' (for now).
    Try it and have a listen, to see if that solves your problem.
    If it does, your only alternative for now is to just be happy with it, or use a bigger amp until you decide to mod your x-overs.
    .... but, I'd leave that to much much later.
    As much as you've played with the 1400's, you, and they, are still settling in I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    If that's the case, then you're just gonna have to give bi-amping the 'flick' (for now).
    Try it and have a listen, to see if that solves your problem.
    If it does, your only alternative for now is to just be happy with it, or use a bigger amp until you decide to mod your x-overs.
    .... but, I'd leave that to much much later.
    As much as you've played with the 1400's, you, and they, are still settling in I reckon.
    They have a Krell KSA 150 on 'em now - should be more than enough power. But yes, its early days yet .....

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    Maybe it's because your speakers are so good, that they might be revealing problems further up the chain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Maybe it's because your speakers are so good, that they might be revealing problems further up the chain?

    Nope, its not that. I've experimented with different sources, preamps, cables etc. It's definitely a characteristic of the speakers. I'm not the only one to hear it, or the only owner/listener to comment on it remember.

    My theory is that the Horn/Tweeter is padded down that far, the the bass driver is coming up into the mid-bass area. That's whats giving the impression of "softness" in the bass.

    Its not subtle either, it's there. Acceptable for Home Theater duties maybe, but not for a Hi-End two channel sound.

    That's why I want to get to the bottom of it. They are such an awesome speaker in almost every other regard. That's what makes this so noticeable I guess !
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