1400 Array Question

[Audionutz]

This morning I played my 1400 Arrays with 3 different amps. Two were solid state and one a pair of vintage monoblock Atmosphere OTL amps. All three are very different designs and had very different sounding low frequencies and midbass.... depending on the room, the type of music and the sound quality one prefers any of the three could be a saviour or a villain.

What are you using for amplification and have you tried something quite different from it also... i.e. not two different push pull triode amps or two MOSFET designs.

That aside, I do agree with the 2202 comments... while I find it lacking in detail and finesse, it has a slam that demands to be noticed.


Widget

Thanks Widget,

Currently, a Krell KSA150 is in place. But, I have tried a pair of push pull monos and it was still apparent with them. I also tried a pair of 80 watt OTL monos, but they ran out of puff very quickly - just not enough current for the relatively low sensitivity of the 1400's.

I do have another solid state amp coming in next week, so will give that a try as well.

Cheers

'Nutz

[Audionutz]

I'd put some test tones through them at the frequencies you find objectionable and see what's going on.

Now that is something I will definitely try - why didnt I think of that first - duh

Cheers

'Nutz

[Audionutz]

Hi Nutz,

I think Woofer may have a point about the 4350's being that close .... Your exciting the air inside the box .... could I Suggest maybe moving them out of the room just for a listen ... Sorry I aint there to help

Just and idea mate !

rich uF

When it stops raining here, I think I'll give that a try too and wheel them outside for a listen.

Thanks again to all for your suggestions !

Cheers

Scott

[Woofer]

One last suggestion.....
Go and borrow a Klark Teknik DN360 from you know who.
I know he won't be using it for a while. Then you can fiddle about to your hearts content looking for the culprit frequency/ies.
If that solves the problem, then maybe you should look at alternatives to just room placement and treatment.
If you can't get a hold of it, tell me, and I'll send you my Crown EQ2. I just know it will do the job.
Or, go and buy yourself a DBX PA thingie, and you can do it all in the digital domain, if you don't want to try analogue.
I know, you want the speakers to be able to do it themselves, but, there are too many variables.
Also, you're comparing the 1400's to the 4350's which you've become very accustomed to. BIG difference and absolutely no comparison.
What you may hear in one, you might not hear in the other and vice versa.
You're gonna end up chasing your own tail into oblivion, if you don't make sacrifices.
One shoe does not fit all! If you want the shoe to fit everything, invest in a GEQ.

[Audionutz]

One last suggestion.....
Go and borrow a Klark Teknik DN360 from you know who.
I know he won't be using it for a while. Then you can fiddle about to your hearts content looking for the culprit frequency/ies.
If that solves the problem, then maybe you should look at alternatives to just room placement and treatment.
If you can't get a hold of it, tell me, and I'll send you my Crown EQ2. I just know it will do the job.
Or, go and buy yourself a DBX PA thingie, and you can do it all in the digital domain, if you don't want to try analogue.
I know, you want the speakers to be able to do it themselves, but, there are too many variables.
Also, you're comparing the 1400's to the 4350's which you've become very accustomed to. BIG difference and absolutely no comparison.
What you may hear in one, you might not hear in the other and vice versa.
You're gonna end up chasing your own tail into oblivion, if you don't make sacrifices.
One shoe does not fit all! If you want the shoe to fit everything, invest in a GEQ.

Ta, but no thanks ...

Several reasons - the EQ is something I have tried and found that although it may improve a culprit frequency, the trade off with loss of clarity and detail etc across the rest of the range is not worth it.

Why not make the speakers do it themselves ? Surely thats the "cleanest" solution - esp if its only a matter of placement/damping/cables/amp changes ? Thats what us "Audionutz" live for remember. I envisage hours of enjoyable fiddling and listening to come

As for comparisons to the 4350's, maybe. But the 1400's have been heard by several people now who never heard the 4350's running, and they noticed what I'm attempting to describe here ?

As I said before, this is a very small part of the overall sound response on these speakers. If it turns out to be part of their character and cant be addressed, I wont be unhappy.

They are still amongst the best I have heard and still put a big grin on my face when called to

Cheers

Scott

[tom1040]

Perhaps the addition of a 1500 Array sub? Perhaps?

[Audionutz]

Perhaps the addition of a 1500 Array sub? Perhaps?

Might not solve the problem - but I wouldn't say no if one was offered

[Woofer]

Here's a point that hasn't been brought up yet.
When was the last time you had the battery in your Hearing Aid replaced?

[Audionutz]

Here's a point that hasn't been brought up yet.
When was the last time you had the battery in your Hearing Aid replaced?

Pardon ?

[Woofer]

Maybe you're hearing the interaction between the dustcap and cone where they join.
There's some strange stuff happening there at times, and some people can hear it.
Maybe you're one of them! It was something I became aware of when I had some Turbosound® speakers in the mid 80's. They had a rather large Phase Plug to address the issue.
It would also be interesting to hear if there is a difference between a 'normally' orientated dustcap and an 'inverted' one.
Of course you can't do that to a new pair of speaks, but one day maybe someone might try it.

[Zilch]

Short the inputs of the 4350s....

[Audionutz]

Short the inputs of the 4350s....

Done quite a while ago.

Cheers

'Nutz

[JBLAddict]

they're for sale on ebay

[Robh3606]

they're for sale on ebay

Well the important thing is he has his 4350's so he got to give it a go and made the right personal decision about what he really wanted from his speakers.

Rob

[Audionutz]

Well the important thing is he has his 4350's so he got to give it a go and made the right personal decision about what he really wanted from his speakers.

Rob

Correct. And believe me, I tried real hard to make them work for me. I suspect a better man in a different room will find them absolutely superb

Cheers

'Nutz