As for CLIO, the information posted into LEAP was gathered using CLIO, and very likely more accurately so. The amount of clutter at Zilchlabs makes me a bit leery of treating any of the posted measurements from Zilchlabs as "laboratory" measurements.
I didn't think you were meaning to be as rude as I originally took your post and as 4313B obviously took it.
The reason it seems rude is it feels like you are questioning the validity of the original work.
Widget
Question: Why should CLIO give any different results?
I have measured with TrueRTA, CLIO, HolmImpulse, WinMLS, NTI system, and the Copland DRC.
They all measure the same, so why?
I applaud 4313B's work on this, and I'm tempted to try a combination of 2446/Truextent after seeing the measurements.
2213 + 2435HPL w/aquaplas + H9800 (Matsj edition)
Please notice the key words in my post are wavelet analysis, which to my understanding is a newer graphical tool not all are aware of or use & requires CLIO measurement 8.5 or above. and two other horns not included in the research already posted.
Pretty simple really. Personal negative interpretations past that? not stated or intended or mine:dont-know
Personally, I feel troubled that this discussion and the work invested by 4313B has somehow seemingly come under fire. All of the information presented is valuable and it took considerable effort to achieve. Once again, I thank 4313B for these efforts.
There is great value to achieving test results for the purpose of developing filters to best release the capabilities of any great driver/diaphragm/horn combination. Unfortunately, I know precious little about filter design. Among what little I do know, is the belief that any change to any one of the three can cause significant changes to the subsequent response. This is the reason I asked 4313B to test my newly developed horns with my drivers and my diaphragms. Once this is obtained, there is great hope to be able to put the information to use in developing a filter to release it's potential. Frankly, I am stoked. The horns would be in 4313B's posession at this moment, if I hadn't decided to clean up the throats before sending them to him.
Further, I own the best version of TrueRTA and bought it in hopes of testing systems. However, to date, I haven't been able to trust the readings I get from it. I do, however, trust 4313B can achieve the results I cannot. Once again, thank you 4313B.
That said, it's easy to understand why everyone would like the combination in their system tested. Is there anyone here reading this that wouldn't? (unless they are already ahead of that)
I acknowledged that you were interested in the other horns... as for the wavelet analysis, in my mind those colorful plots were added to sell new CLIO licenses and are not terribly useful... the reason why I haven't bothered to upgrade my CLIO software and why I didn't acknowledge it in your original post.
If you like those plots and are curious about how those specific horns might perform, why not PM Zilch and ask him to buy a TruExtent diaphragm and post away. He doesn't seem to mind buying all manner of bits and pieces to test.
I am a little surprised that you can't see how your post could have been misunderstood, but I think we all know where everyone is coming from at this point. Thanks for graciously clarifying your post.
Widget
I would like to thank 4313B for the measurements here. It will serve reference for me later on.
I know that he puts great effort into making sure that they are as spot on as he can get them givin there isn't any anoic chamber to further make the measurements better than they are.
Not often do people have LEAP to do that, let alone post them here for all to use.
EDIT: I see that I have repeated others but still stand by my statement!
Always fun learning more.......
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Evening, All,
I, too, would like to thank 4313B for undertaking the task, and for sharing his results with the rest of us. Were it not for several LH members, like him, we would all be the poorer, most certainly!! Even though I am not undertaking any projects right now, I still have high hopes for quite a few such things in the future. Without guidance, education, and information, from our JBL Elders, like 4313B, many of us would be lost in the dark, without a clue. I think that his contributions, and those of the others who share such valuable testing results and information, make LH the special place that it is, and I very much appreciate that!! Thanks, very much, Sir, and please continue to shine the light of JBL truth on those project you undertake! Take care, and God Bless!
Every Good Wish,
Doc
The only thing that can never be taken away from you, is your honor. Cherish it, in yourself, and in others.
I told you we needed to go private with it and I should have followed through... we might have actually accomplished everything to good end.
In any case, cosmos doesn't need his horn measured now and I really couldn't care less about the Be diaphragms in the 4345's or 4355's so I'm returning the horns and drivers this morning.
Thanks for sharing your ignorance in my thread... I addressed the point of the thread in the very first post because I knew some idiot would show up posting something like this...Measurements talk....all else may be odiferous...
Jumping back a bit, if some one has a loose H4338, I could 3D model it with our Faro Arm. A completely non damaging light contact proccess.
We could probably rough them in our four axis mill, never cut wood in one of them, yet.
If we knew what the hell we were doing, we wouldn't call it research would we.
I really hate to ask this ; but, how about locking up this thread now ?
- It started to go south at post 40 when the grand-poobah of the Econwavers figured this thread somehow should be about them .
- JOMOCO merely walked through the door that Zilch opened for him .
- I can't think of anything that would rankle Giskard more than a telegraphed attitude ( that he too should be happy to act as a sales tool for P.E. and eBay ) .
- My hats off to Giskard for hanging in as long as he did .
<> Earl K
OK, Earl, and 4313, your request has been acknowledged, and it's done. The thread is closed.
Unless one of the administrators feels differently about this, it will remain closed. It does seem as if the original intention of measuring the be diaphragms from TrueExtent has been satisfied.
scottyj
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