My Project 1400 Array's..

[scott fitlin]

I'm not there yet... but I am teetering on the fence and will possibly join that club.


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I want to hear these, and after a good season I would probably want to be a member too! I hear really good things about this particular speaker system.

[tom1040]

I thought some may find this an interesting read. James Tanner, The person I bought these from wrote about the Arrays.

[scott fitlin]

AHH, one thing I notice in James words is the crossover point. 750hz, and this point allows the compression driver a very nice dynamic sound that really shines on percussions and transients. I have been using THAT 750hz point for ages, and I don't like it lower, OR higher, 750 is the #.

As far as the NOT as in yer face as other traditional horn systems, that might not be bad, even tho some of the old horn systems were very lively and dynamic, some of them could become fatiguing to the ears after a while. And then, these are for home use, where I personally do NOT have enough space for a fully horn loaded rig to operate properly. So I like the idea of the ported bas enclosure mated to that horn/comp driver for my living room.

Interesting read, and thanks for posting.

[4313B]

It isn't arbitrary, that's where the horn/c.d. combo begins to roll off and Greg uses that mechanical roll-off along with the electrical roll-off in the high pass filter to create the 24 dB/octave acoustic roll-off. The low frequency transducer has to be able to meet the horn at that point.

[Titanium Dome]

If memory serves me, the SAM1HF transition to the SAM2LF target is 890 Hz. If true, this is no doubt possible with the nut-cracking range/power of the SAM2's dual 8s.

[Robh3606]

this is no doubt possible with the nut-cracking range/power of the SAM2's dual 8s.

Probably more to due with the match in directivity at the crossover point.

Rob

[scott fitlin]

It isn't arbitrary, that's where the horn/c.d. combo begins to roll off and Greg uses that mechanical roll-off along with the electrical roll-off in the high pass filter to create the 24 dB/octave acoustic roll-off. The low frequency transducer has to be able to meet the horn at that point.

I understand that, but, at the same time, I have things that are able to be used with different xover points, and have alway found I like what I hear at 750hz, you can even hear it from coming down from 800hz.

I know it is the proper point for this horn, but there is a certain trait in the sound. That TINY TINY little bit of excursion is audible, or what sounds like that, in a good way.

Particularly with JBL comp drivers.

[Titanium Dome]

Probably more to due with the match in directivity at the crossover point.

Rob

True enough, but without the SAM2's 92dB sensitivity (the SAM1 is not "dialed back" like in the 1400 Array) and ability to extend beyond 900 Hz, directivity alone would be insufficient.

However, you're a builder and I'm a listener, so...

[Valentin]

I thought some may find this an interesting read. James Tanner, The person I bought these from wrote about the Arrays.

James Tanner is the one of the owners of Bryston

[speakerdave]

James Tanner is the one of the owners of Bryston

Is he moving up to Everest II's?

[Titanium Dome]

I thought some may find this an interesting read. James Tanner, The person I bought these from wrote about the Arrays.

Thanks for the link. It's interesting to see how similar his feelings about horns are to mine and how this somewhat colored his preconceptions about the 1400s. He's absolutely correct that the Array Series is so un-hornlike that you wouldn't identify it as such unless you already knew. Same for the SAMs only perhaps more so since they are running with greater sensitivity.

I will say, the Everest II is even better, but for those of us who still live in the middle class, the Array Series is as good as it gets for ANY horn-based consumer system I've ever heard. I haven't heard the K2 S9900, but I prefer the over all sound of the Array to the K2 S9800, though it's hard not to be impressed with the overall sheer strength of the K2.

It will be interesting to see how your appreciation changes as your ears and listening habits get accustomed to your wonderful 1400 Arrays. James Tanner seemed to go through an evolution of his own as he gained experience with them.

[4313B]

I haven't heard the K2 S9900, but I prefer the over all sound of the Array to the K2 S9800, though it's hard not to be impressed with the overall sheer strength of the K2.

Yeah, the S9800 didn't add up to the sum of its parts. The S9900 does though.

The Arrays are super tough to beat. I really need to get four Synthesis 8's before they "go foreign". After June of this year JBL ceases to be a viable brand for me personally. It's been a great 35 year run though!

[timc]

Yeah, the S9800 didn't add up to the sum of its parts.

Awww...Come on. You're almost making me cry.............



-Tim

[Earl K]

Congratulations Tom on getting your Arrays .

First impressions, with MY room, as is: They are waayy different than the S/2600's. The sweet spot with these is straight on, the S/2600 are everywhere....

- Have you played with various angles of toe-in ?
- Dr. Geddes recommends as much as 45 degrees for his Summas .

The bass is a lot bigger, midrange is superior, top end...well, with my Tannoy Supertweeter on the S/2600's, is up for futher listening before I will say anything more. The visual impression is stunning. They look great with my tiger wood flooring, non intrusive and really do look better in person.

I have been listening to a number of new sacd & redbook cd's-all sounding different than the other JBL. The speakers are beautiful and sound as advertised. I think, as with the S/2600's, it will take a while to get use to the clarity of the midrange and deeper bass, albiet with a diifferent presentation of the music.

Well it did not take me long to get accustomed to these. They are awesome. The musical term I would use right now is clarity. As people say when listening to a new speaker, I can hear significantly more detail and decay of the instruments is beautifully produced. When I read those statements I was skeptical, however, after a few hours with these babies I have a sense of what they are hearing and understand.

I will post some pictures when I can get a camera-mine is with my wife in Florida. I am going to borrow one from my business partner.

- I agree ,the usage of bigger diaphragms ( compression types ) can lead to greater resolution ( clarity ) once some of the (typical) horn issues have been addressed .


I'm looking forwards to some photos .

<> cheers

[jblnut]

I'm not there yet... but I am teetering on the fence and will possibly join that club.


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Put me on that list too....



jblnut