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    JBL 2225 J or H

    I have a pair of ALTEC 815A cabs that I would like to put a pair of JBL 2225's in them. I will be pushing them with a 75 watt mono tube amp. Do I want the 2225H (8 ohm) or 2225J (16 0hm).

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    Are you running a tube with multiple output choices?

    If you are using a tube amp with multiple impedance options, then I would follow what taps are available.

    You did not list the desired application, ie: home use or commercial(PA) duty. Are you able to source either impedance 2205's, if so I would go with 16 ohm, but I can't say there is much difference except in my feeble mind. I think the damping might be better with 16 ohms....

    I'm just one opinion here, I hope others will chime in also!

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    The 815A's have two 15's per cab. My amp has 8 or 16 ohm taps. And yes they are for home use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooferben View Post
    I will be pushing them with a 75 watt mono tube amp. Do I want the 2225H (8 ohm) or 2225J (16 0hm)?
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    The 815A's have two 15's per cab. My amp has 8 or 16 ohm taps. And yes they are for home use.
    Don't seems like you have much of a choice to run them in series...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaulive View Post
    Don't seems like you have much of a choice to run them in series...

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    Quote Originally Posted by speakerdave View Post
    If he only has taps at 8 and 16 ohms on his mono amplifier and wants to connect two cabinets that has two 2225 in each, that makes four drivers.

    Even with the 2225J at 16 ohms, four of those in parallel results in a total impedance of 4 ohms.

    So I repeat, he's gonna have to wire something in series somewhere. If not, my teacher lied to me many years ago when he taught me the work of Georg.
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    Or maybe it's my sentence you don't get... I should have say "It seems like you don't have much of a choice to run them in series..."

    It was a brain fart, sorry

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    Well, the OP needs to clarify a number of things.

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    Ok, I am now confused as well. I'd guess the OP means he is going to run a pair of 815A cabinets with a PAIR of 75 watt monoblocks meaning two 2225 per channel...

    If so, I personally would go 16 ohm as (2) 16 ohm in parallel makes a 8 ohm load on the amp. I'd rather run a pair in parallel than (2) 8 ohm in series making a 16 ohm load on the amp.

    However, if you are thinking that you may resell them, I'd go 8 ohm and wire them in series anyway. I'd guess it easier to sell 8 ohm drivers than 16...

    If that is not what the OP meant then oh hell...

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    COSMOS, you got it. I will drive the two 15's that are in one 815a cab with a 75 watt mono tube amp. The amp has 8 and 16 ohm. taps. Can you please explain to me the differants between ( in parallel ) and ( in series ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooferben View Post
    COSMOS, you got it. I will drive the two 15's that are in one 815a cab with a 75 watt mono tube amp. The amp has 8 and 16 ohm. taps. Can you please explain to me the differants between ( in parallel ) and ( in series ).
    Then as you wish, either two J in parallel for the 8 ohms tap or two H in series for the 16 ohms tap.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_...allel_circuits

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    Series circuit no good idea

    When You wire two or more drivers in series the drivers will not see the low output impedance of the amplifier but rather that impedance in series with the DC resistance of the other drivers. This messes up the driver's Qt.

    Ruediger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruediger View Post
    When You wire two or more drivers in series the drivers will not see the low output impedance of the amplifier but rather that impedance in series with the DC resistance of the other drivers. This messes up the driver's Qt.

    Ruediger
    True, but on a source that has a low damping factor, (like a tube amp's output xformer) this gets less relevant and when you have two drivers in parallel on that kind of source, each driver's back EMF screws up the other driver's Qt anyways so...

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    I appreciate the highly technical discussion, but am unable to semanticize in this context "messes up" and "screws up."

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    Screw up the mess!

    Hi Speakerdave,

    Qt is one of the Thiele Small parameters. It depends on the loudspeaker's Qe and Qm, the DC resistance of loudspeaker, crossover and cables, and the amplifier's output impedance.

    If You use a poor inductor in the crossover, cables with a tiny cross section, or an amplifier with a high output impedance then this will convert Your 2226 (for example) JBL jewel into a crappy driver. The Qt will be significantly higher.

    The result will be an underdamped "boom box".

    Ruediger

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    Quote Originally Posted by speakerdave View Post
    I appreciate the highly technical discussion, but am unable to semanticize in this context "messes up" and "screws up."
    You rather talk about speakers being "pushed" by amplifiers?

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