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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    This is what you want: Emotiva UMC-1
    Is it actually available yet?
    I went to the forum and after a quick glance around
    it seemed like folks had it on pre-order but didn't have one yet ...
    Est price of roughly $700 seems good, tho ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    The problem with Outlaw 990 is that it's outdated! It doesn't have HDMI, it doesn't support new HD audio formats, doesn't have modern romm correction....

    Did you take a look at the Emotiva I linked too? Emotiva gives great value for money, and is in fact the same as Sherbourn and Sunfire processors but for much less money
    Well, you see, for me it's TOO advanced and they forgot something important that my old 1990 Pioneer Elite has: AC3 RF decoder for my LD player

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    The problem with Outlaw 990 is that it's outdated!
    As will all other be in short time. That's the state of the industry.

    And where are the phono inputs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWCCA View Post
    As will all other be in short time. That's the state of the industry.

    And where are the phono inputs?

    At the bottom, slightly to the left of dead center, with the ground nut just above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Is it actually available yet?
    I went to the forum and after a quick glance around
    it seemed like folks had it on pre-order but didn't have one yet ...
    Est price of roughly $700 seems good, tho ...
    As far as I've read noone has gotten them yet, but it's said Emo are going to start shipping this week

    Quote Originally Posted by BMWCCA View Post
    As will all other be in short time. That's the state of the industry.

    And where are the phono inputs?
    Well... it's better to buy the newest on the market regarding this than buying something that is already outdated. HD sound (both DTS and Dolby) is the first really big news in quite a few years that have made it really necessary to upgrade to the newest equipment. Last time something simmilar happend was the upgrade from Dolby Pro Logic to AC3/DTS and that is more than 10 years ago now.

    So... even though the Outlaw probably is a great preamp, I wouldn't consider buying a new surround preamp or receiver today without HD sound.

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    But who decodes HDCD?

    Interestingly enough, no one has mentioned HDCD compatibility.
    The HK CD changer I have does HDCD, the HK AVR 7300 decodes HDCD -
    and I mentioned in a previous thread, they still seem to be making HDCD discs -
    but I don't seen any of these new receiver/processors mentioning that capability ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Interestingly enough, no one has mentioned HDCD compatibility.
    The HK CD changer I have does HDCD, the HK AVR 7300 decodes HDCD -
    and I mentioned in a previous thread, they still seem to be making HDCD discs -
    but I don't seen any of these new receiver/processors mentioning that capability ...



    I guess under normal conditions, I'd just expect the DVD or CD or Bluray player to handle that, then send it analog bypass to the pre/pro, but I don't expressly look for HDCD so it's not on my radar, so to speak. the Oppo BDP-83 handles it through HDMI so you'd need a pre/pro that could decode it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Well... it's better to buy the newest on the market regarding this than buying something that is already outdated. HD sound (both DTS and Dolby) is the first really big news in quite a few years that have made it really necessary to upgrade to the newest equipment. Last time something simmilar happend was the upgrade from Dolby Pro Logic to AC3/DTS and that is more than 10 years ago now.
    True enough, but as long as you get a quality unit with discrete line level inputs and outputs you can always use the processing in the blu-ray or other source device... often this will give you the highest quality and will be the most future proof.

    On the subject of AVRs, feature sets etc... yesterday I was asked to set up a system with a Harman Kardon AVR 3600. I hadn't used any HK receiver since the early '80s so dealing with the HKisms was a bit interesting... I am not crazy about the cheap plastic ring they use as a volume knob, but that is purely subjective. Their iPod dock called "The Bridge" actually worked pretty well, though certainly not audiophile. Over all, the unit was pretty good, but the automatic EQ was simply nasty. When it completed it's sequence the sound was boomy and unintelligible... definitely a "do not use" feature.


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    Got to agree with you there.
    In my little space, I tried the autoEQ "ezSet" feature on our older HK AVR 335, and also on the newer AVR7300. On both receivers, once was enough and once I undid the changes I haven't bothered with it since. But the reviews of the new units say they finally got it right



    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    ... Over all, the unit was pretty good, but the automatic EQ was simply nasty. When it completed it's sequence the sound was boomy and unintelligible... definitely a "do not use" feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    But the reviews of the new units say they finally got it right
    The more I learn the less I trust reviews.... but maybe.

    Isn't the AVR 3600 that I used a "new" product though?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    I am not crazy about the cheap plastic ring they use as a volume knob, but that is purely subjective.


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    Well, you could replace it with a more performant knob...
    http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/07...lly-overp.html

    I tried to find the link to the product but it is nowhere to be found... either the dealers got ashamed of themselves or they ran out of stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    The more I learn the less I trust reviews.... but maybe.

    Isn't the AVR 3600 that I used a "new" product though?

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    Might be - I don't keep up with their model numbers ...
    the AVR7300 I had was 2005 era - they show an AVR 7550HD on their website now ...
    They also show an AVR 3550HD too, which would sound like an older number to an AVR 3600 model ...

    Ah - here is the 3600 on Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-.../dp/B002IKKFUA

    and here is the AVR-7550 - http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-...dp/B002E285UO/



    But again, who knows with reviewers ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    This is what you want: Emotiva UMC-1
    Well, I had put my name on the waiting list for the Emotiva UMC-1 A/V processor about 6 weeks back - and tonight they emailed me to say they could be ready to ship me once in early April!

    Anyone have any actual hands-on with one of these?

    http://emotiva.com/umc1.shtm

    Its just the Preamp-processor/Tuner ... I'd still need amps to run the room - I mean, I have the biamped pair of GFA-555s for the front/mains - and the Citation for the Sub - but I'd need to sort out that Adcom 2535 so it could run the center, and a pair of the L20Ts as surrounds ... and to do 7.1, I'd need one more amp for the rear surrounds.
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    I put myself on list before that I thought haven't heard from them though. Seriously thinking about it

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    Think center channel for 250TIs; (2) 108s, a 104 and a 44ti, now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opimax View Post
    Seriously thinking about it...
    Why? Feature set? Price? Reviews of stellar performance?

    I'm curious as I haven't heard anything about it. I am skeptical that it has decent analog performance being in such a compact package, but I wouldn't rule it out.


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