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    What Should Be Done About the "How Much Is It Worth ?" threads

    I"ve really had it with these people who use there first,second post-whatever and go value trollin.

    "How Much Is It Worth?"

    Stick it on eBay and find out

    I"m not responding to any more of these kinds of fishing expeditions and suggest everybody do the same.

    Oldmics

    P.S. This isnt just going happening on this site.The automotive sites are worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmics View Post
    I"m not responding to any more of these kinds of fishing expeditions and suggest everybody do the same.
    At present that is the best we can do.


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    I say require a donation to get a price quote, and ban anyone who supplies a quote before the donation is verified by Bo. In fact, put Bo in charge of the whole thing, including supplying quotes.
    Out.

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    BRAVO!!
    I say make a sticky thread called "HOW MUCH IS IT WORTH"
    explain in there about the shifting values and the current financial issues, mention that the best indicator is what it sells for, and suggest they post it to a sale site like AudioGawn or Ebray and "...see what happens"

    Then explain that for a nominal donation (say - $20) the resources of the site are open to them - Once verified, folks could chime in ...

    If no pay, then you can refuse to play with the trolls!

    We should at least get a snack before they take us for a ride ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmics View Post
    I"ve really had it with these people who use there first,second post-whatever and go value trollin'.

    "How Much Is It Worth?"

    Stick it on eBay and find out

    I"m not responding to any more of these kinds of fishing expeditions and suggest everybody do the same.

    Oldmics

    P.S. This isnt just going happening on this site.The automotive sites are worse.
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    Morning OldMics

    Well I see that one got you as annoyed as it did me when I moved it to Marketplace last night. I have been asking people to not respond you months now. Thank you

    Hello Widget

    I have a solution. We post a warning sticky in Marketplace and when they ignore it the thread gets deleted as Spam so the user is automatically baned. It is Spam. You can see the same requests in other Forums. These guys are no different then the Nokia Phone Spam we used to get. It is unsolicited advertisements. The only thing that stopped the Nokia Spam was repeated deletions and banning.

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    Haven't touched the draft FAQ for a year, but the reason to have one in an obvious
    place hasn't changed:

    ...

    Selling/Buying

    Q: How much is (fill in the blank) worth?
    A: Ebay can be a good indicator of current monetary value. This site is not
    a replacement for doing your homework and knowing your market. Responses
    you may receive are opinion only, but may be based on some level of
    experience (don't get too disappointed or excited prematurely).

    ...

    Charging for remote appraisals seems (to me) to be an invitation for disaster.

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    Perhaps the upsurge in requests is due in part to Ebay's no longer making completed auction data available for more than one-month, unless you can search by seller or item number. I know there are on-line services that track selling prices but I don't have any experience with them. "Blue Book" type services seem to be a joke with the prices they quote on nearly anything, but especially on items I'm familiar with.

    Since Ebay seems to be the accepted arbiter of "value" here, is there some way we could track JBL items of interest by item number and final bid or no-sale price, catalogued by JBL model, in some data base those who had an interest could post to? Just a thought, and admittedly one for which I'm not offering to bell-the-cat. But it may offer somewhere to point any prospective fishermen, and still bring those items of interest to this site's members' attention first. Maybe? They list the query, we point them to the Ebay archive data? :dont-know

    I'm still confused about how to enter or access serial-number data for vintage systems (and that may just be me) but maybe an Ebay database could be a bit more transparent, less owner-intensive, and more accessible. Not too hard since we can search by thread—though the search function kicks out "L7" for not having enough characters . . .

    Just a thought. I'll go back to electrocuting myself now. :shock:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWCCA View Post
    though the search function kicks out "L7" for not having enough characters . . .

    Just a thought. I'll go back to electrocuting myself now. :shock:

    google advanced search will allow you to search for very short key words in a specific web domain...

    go to google,
    click advanced search to the left of the main query data entry box...

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    Wow, some of you guys are cranky!

    If you don't want to help someone out by giving them a rough idea what their dead grandmothers speakers or amps are worth THEN DON'T REPLY TO THE POST.

    It's pretty simple.

    I think you would be happy to give rough estimates because that will keep more vintage Altec and JBL stuff out of the landfill. If the new owner thinks their item is worthless they'll probably throw it out.

    I almost threw out those Altec 614A cabinets but decided to put them on ebay instead. They're up to $255 with 1 day left! I figured they were worthless. Well, they are worthless... to me. You guys are the Altec collectors. You should want to see this old stuff survive. By offering a newbie a free & realistic value, you're helping keep vintage Altec and JBL out of the dump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBusa View Post
    Wow, some of you guys are cranky!

    If you don't want to help someone out by giving them a rough idea what their dead grandmothers speakers or amps are worth THEN DON'T REPLY TO THE POST.

    It's pretty simple.

    I think you would be happy to give rough estimates because that will keep more vintage Altec and JBL stuff out of the landfill. If the new owner thinks their item is worthless they'll probably throw it out.

    I almost threw out those Altec 614A cabinets but decided to put them on ebay instead. They're up to $255 with 1 day left! I figured they were worthless. Well, they are worthless... to me. You guys are the Altec collectors. You should want to see this old stuff survive. By offering a newbie a free & realistic value, you're helping keep vintage Altec and JBL out of the dump.
    Nobody is getting rich here, but it sounds like you made a windfall from the help you got here ...
    So, how much are you going to kick into the kitty to return the favour?? 2%? 5%? 10%?
    Donate button is on the top right hand side of the page ...


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    (FWIW, I don't get a dime out of it ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by louped garouv View Post
    google advanced search will allow you to search for very short key words in a specific web domain...
    Yeah, great. You go try that for searching an individual thread here and report back.

    I was talking about storing Ebay links in one thread and being able to search by JBL model number. I'm not sure Google search would help with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBusa View Post
    Wow, some of you guys are cranky!

    If you don't want to help someone out by giving them a rough idea what their dead grandmothers speakers or amps are worth THEN DON'T REPLY TO THE POST.

    It's pretty simple.

    I think you would be happy to give rough estimates because that will keep more vintage Altec and JBL stuff out of the landfill. If the new owner thinks their item is worthless they'll probably throw it out.

    I almost threw out those Altec 614A cabinets but decided to put them on ebay instead. They're up to $255 with 1 day left! I figured they were worthless. Well, they are worthless... to me. You guys are the Altec collectors. You should want to see this old stuff survive. By offering a newbie a free & realistic value, you're helping keep vintage Altec and JBL out of the dump.
    I actually agree with you.

    We are having an on going moderator discussion about this issue and it is likely we will make some sort of change.... asking for donations, membership fees etc. are not being considered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Nobody is getting rich here, but it sounds like you made a windfall from the help you got here ...
    So, how much are you going to kick into the kitty to return the favour?? 2%? 5%? 10%?
    Donate button is on the top right hand side of the page ...


    This site is NOT sponsored by JBL or Harman Kardon -
    (FWIW, I don't get a dime out of it ...)

    I did donate $10 a week or so ago. It wasn't for the help IDing the 614 cabinets... although I did appreciate that. It was because this place is cool, laid back and not run by greedy ba$tard$.

    I have some knowledge & will give it freely here when I can. I've owned more altec, JBL, Klipsch etc etc etc speakers than I can count. I have learned a lot here, at other forums and from searching on the internet. I figure that it's all just information... it should be free. If you have the info in your head and don't want to give it out, then don't.

    I have collected nearly every "audio" magazine annual directory since 1954. The annual directories list every single stereo item sold that year and all of the specs. There's a wealth of info in those mags. I've dug them out more than once looking for info for people on the internet.

    I do miss when the Orion blue book for audio was online and had a wide open back door. Anyone remember that about 5 or 6 years ago? It was free for a few years. I used that a lot! It seems that Orion sold their website to someone else and now they want you to pay money for each used price. I think that's crazy because those orion prices aren't exactly accurate. Greed stinks.

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    I just noticed AK has a Marketplace hole just for this.
    Those not interested just don't enter. Posts of that kind show up elsewhere?
    reported and moderator-moved there (as a suggestion).

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    does this place really want to go the way that AK has? AK has way too many forums, it is incredibly overmoderated, every post has to be in its exact correct forum or you get a warning or suspended. AK seems to be run by someone with a severe case of OCD.

    I really don't understand the big deal about a newbie asking what his speaker is worth. It happens maybe once a week here? That's not a lot folks.

    If you make a special "what's my speaker worth" forum... the chances are slim that the newbie will post in there anyway. It just leads to so much extra beaurocracy. "hey newbie, you can't ask how much your speaker is worth in THIS forum! You have to go over to the "what's my speaker worth" forum! Can't you read?!"

    Heck, even oldmics posted his question in the wrong forum! He put it in general discussion & it was immediately moved here. Don't the mods have enough to do now without worrying about another forum?

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