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    Array 1400 bi amping

    Just picked up a pair of Array 1400's today and am wondeering why there is only reference to bi-amping the K2's and not the Arrays in the Project K2 & Array brochure.

    The Arrays have separate crossovers for LF & HF/UHF and two sets of terminals with links, so is there any reason Array's cannot be bi-amped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andywin View Post
    Just picked up a pair of Array 1400's today...
    Congratulations!

    Quote Originally Posted by andywin View Post
    The Arrays have separate crossovers for LF & HF/UHF and two sets of terminals with links, so is there any reason Array's cannot be bi-amped?
    Ask your dealer?

    If you use the terminals with two amps you will gain the advantage of being able to match an amp for the bottom and another for the top, however you will still have the myriad of passive components in the signal path... that said, if you remove them, I doubt you'll be successful in dialing the response back in. Those speakers are well balanced and quite neutral from JBL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post

    Ask your dealer?

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    The UK dealers only repeat what's in the literature and Harman UK seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post

    If you use the terminals with two amps you will gain the advantage of being able to match an amp for the bottom and another for the top, however you will still have the myriad of passive components in the signal path... that said, if you remove them, I doubt you'll be successful in dialing the response back in. Those speakers are well balanced and quite neutral from JBL.


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    It's the ability to use a beefier amp in the LF that interests me. I understand that the impedance drops close to 1 Ohm at about 70 Hz which may stress my amp which is a single ended 6083 design that puts out about 19 watts max. initial listening has not highlighted any issues aurally but I really don't want to over-stress this wonderful amp.

    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by andywin View Post
    ... the impedance drops close to 1 Ohm at about 70 Hz
    What is the resource of this statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoerninger View Post
    What is the resource of this statement?
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    I should have said 1.9 Ohms which is based upon the article below.

    http://www.stereophile.com/reference...avy/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by andywin View Post
    which may stress my amp which is a single ended 6083 design that puts out about 19 watts max.
    Andy
    19 watts? I believe it is not possible to drive the 1400 properly with no less than 200 watts. One thing tho, is if you only listen at very very low SPL. The more the better.

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    Congratulations on a nice pair of speakers!

    Where are you getting 1 ohm from?? They don't go below 5 ohms anywhere on the curve.

    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...ad.php?t=10643


    To Biamp you would have to do extensive modifications to the passive crossover to get it right. It's possible but it's a alot of work. You would have to leave the horn compensation and upper crossover in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by speakerdave View Post
    But I agree, a 19 watt SE amp for the bass seems inadequate. Many modern solid state amps will withstand a two ohm load, some a one ohm load.
    A quote from the manual of my power amps:

    Rated Power Output
    (per channel) ............................................ 350WRMS into 8 ohm The 350 has been designed around the industry standard 8 ohm load. The 350 delivers a staggering 350WRMS continuously into 8 ohm loads and 600WRMS into 4 ohm loads. The 350 will also handle complex and 2ohm loads with stability and ease.


    Short-Circuit/Overdrive Protection
    This system senses if there is a short circuit across the 350 output terminals and disconnects the output to avoid amplifier damage. It also senses if the 350 is being driven outside acceptable operational parameters. An example of this would be driving a 1 ohm
     speaker at very high levels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robh3606 View Post
    Where are you getting 1 ohm from?? They don't go below 5 ohms anywhere on the curve.

    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...ad.php?t=10643
    They are talking about "Equivalent peak dissipation resistance". This is a method of describing the interaction of both impedance and phase angle simultaneously... in any event, it would seem the Array 1400 is in good company, the B+W 802D drops even lower.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
    . . . .
    Short-Circuit/Overdrive Protection
    This system senses if there is a short circuit across the 350 output terminals and disconnects the output to avoid amplifier damage. It also senses if the 350 is being driven outside acceptable operational parameters. An example of this would be driving a 1 ohm
    speaker at very high levels.

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    Rolf--Unlike a mathematics theorem that is disproved by one counterexample, this statement from the manual for one amp does not apply to all. There are amps stable at one ohm. You wouldn't necessarily want to have one for its sonic qualities. It is also common in the world of car audio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speakerdave View Post
    There are amps stable at one ohm. You wouldn't necessarily want to have one for its sonic qualities
    I know, and I did not bought them for that. Just a comment for andywin's post, regarding 1,9 ohm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
    I know, and I did not bought them for that. Just a comment for andywin's post, regarding 1,9 ohm.
    Yeah--I know I've read about such an amp. Right now the only kind of non-car amp I can find information about that specs that is Mackie and such. The amps won't blow up, but distortion figures are not offered. They must limit current but keep working or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speakerdave View Post
    Yeah--I know I've read about such an amp. Right now the only kind of non-car amp I can find information about that specs that is Mackie and such. The amps won't blow up, but distortion figures are not offered. They must limit current but keep working or something.
    http://www.perreaux.com/products/pri...wer_amplifier/

    http://www.perreaux.com/products/pri...wer_amplifier/

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    Greg graciously addressed this issue at the end of his day today.

    Bi-amping the JBL Model 1400 Array

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    Nice!! And Thank You!

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