JBL "Performance Series" question

[johnaec]

But there is still plenty of PS stock, that's why they still show up under "special" on www.harmanaudio.com
They're listed as refurbs, but are really just over stock.

I think the same thing relates to the L8400P 12" subs. List is $1099, HarmanAudio has "refurbs" at $699, and going price for these same "refurbs" from Harman's outlet on eBay average $350 plus reasonable shipping, with full factory accessories, boxing, and full warranty.

As many as I've seen sold through eBay, I find it hard to believe these are actually refurbs rather than overstock. At that price, I picked up a couple to go with my PT800's, and there's no way I could be convinced they were anything other than new.

Now, if I could just get a couple PS1400's in the same range... 'Anyone wanna' trade-in? The PS1400's only have a 400 watt amp vs. the 600 watts in the L8400P.

John

[4313B]

After reading about some of these guys and their DIY horror stories they'd do well to pack it all in and pick up some of these puppies. Nothing they can hack together with their tragic old boxes and ancient drivers will even come close.

[jblsound]

After reading about some of these guys and their DIY horror stories they'd do well to pack it all in and pick up some of these puppies. Nothing they can hack together with their tragic old boxes and ancient drivers will even come close.

That would certainly be true. Unless, of coarse, one had a pair of new 066, professionally restored 2105, 112A, C-C network and mirror imaged boxes.

Comparing that speaker system to a pair of PT800s, well, I wouldn't want to live off the difference.

[4313B]

You're not hacking up stuff and trying to piece stuff that doesn't belong together together though.

Everything you've done is completely legitimate, and you know what you're doing which is a real plus.

[jblsound]

You're not hacking up stuff and trying to piece stuff that doesn't belong together together though.

Everything you've done is completely legitimate, and you know what you're doing which is a real plus.

Well, I knew what I was doing, as far as building boxes. But mostly, I also had a lot of help from you, providing the XO schematics, steering me toward building those mirror imaged boxes and C-C XO. Which, once again, thank you!

The result was/is so good, I'd have a hard time believing bi-amping and using active XOs would be any better.
It also helped I managed to find a completely new pair of 066 tweeters 5 years ago. Might have been the last of those.

And having both that pair of L212 and a pair of PT800 mounted to the tops of the SUB1500s, with a ball bearings between the sub boxes and top caps so I just rotate to which pair I want to listen to, makes it real easy to compare those units. The mid-bass of the L212 is a bit heavier and the PT800 is a bit more open thoughout it entire range. But as you very well know, both are very good for music and HT.

As a side note, would you recommend these tweeters to use, if/when, the 066s need replacing? From OCS JBL 052Ti

[4313B]

It would require a complete rework of the filter to make those work.

[jblsound]

It would require a complete rework of the filter to make those work.

I kind of figured that, but OCS shows those as replacements for JBL 066, JBL 033, JBL 035TI, JBL 035TIA, JBL 035TI-A, TDT1000, TD1000, TD-1000, and TD 1000.

Of coarse they say nothing of having to rework the filter. But they would fit perfectly into the 066 holes with an 1/8" Diameter to spare, and the flange would cover that 1/16" gap from the outside.

[4313B]

Since joining this website (and briefly scanning over some of the other tragic audio sites too) I've noticed that alot of people think alot of things are replacements for other things. More power to them. I don't really know what else to say other than it really doesn't matter I suppose. There will be those who do things right and then there is everyone else. :dont-know

OCS may just be publishing something JBL published in a tech sheet. I guess some kind of replacement looks better than a "No Longer Serviceable" stamp. Most people would probably never even hear the difference. They just don't care.

I know what the designer of the systems would say because we've talked about the phenloics versus the titaniums extensively over many years and that is pretty much where I am coming from.

[jblsound]

As far as what is on the OCS site about the replacement, I didn't know if it was just their thing to try and make a sale, or if it was put out by JBL.
My thinking would be that tweeter would probably work better for the L212 than one of the newer ones similar to those used on the PS. Plus one wouldn't have to rework the 066 hole.
But, I agree, changing from the 066 to Ti would make a difference. But as long as it was in pairs.

But what would be really stupid would be to change only one tweeter of a pair. And I just saw a few weeks ago, someone was trying to sell a speaker pair (don't remember what) that had two different tweeters!

[4313B]

As far as what is on the OCS site about the replacement, I didn't know if it was just their thing to try and make a sale, or if it was put out by JBL.

It's hard to say. I really don't know who makes the decisions with respect to replacement part retrofits. I think maybe at some point someone determines a closest match and that's that. I guess I would be a bit surprised if any kind of hard engineering went into the process.

But as long as it was in pairs.

Yes. I have noticed that caveat in various tech sheets.

[jblsound]

Its now the same with the PS. At least the last time I looked, the tweeters were no longer available so something else would have to be used.

Which is why I think TiDome has so many PS so he can use them for parts if he blows them up.

Seem like for the last year the available parts for the PS keeps changing.

[4313B]

How funny. The replacement for the original is no longer available.

[jblsound]

How funny. The replacement for the original is no longer available.

I thinks its been like that for the entire 2 years I've had the PT800s. I know TiDome has mentioned about the Audax TI tweeters that parts express was selling would work. But I see they are no longer on their site.

For a while the grilles were not available, now they are again.